Dismantle Gaza and relocate ‘non-belligerent Arabs’: Israel Institute for Strategic Studies


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By Craig McKee

Israel is losing the war.

I don’t mean the one being fought with missiles, bombs and bullets in Gaza. (That’s not a war anyway – it’s a massacre with 1,800 Palestinians killed so far). I mean the propaganda war – the worldwide fight over public opinion.

Thanks to the Internet and social media, people around the world, especially younger people, are coming to understand better than ever what is being done to the Palestinian people in Israel and the occupied territories. This latest slaughter is causing people to seek out more information about the history of the region and the history of this conflict.

Salon.com’s David Palumbo-Liu put it this way: “Israel is in fact risking losing the narrative war altogether, as more and more of the global public is asking questions that probe into that history, prompted by the evidence of Israeli’s current efforts to continue and expand Israeli power and land, efforts that are now increasingly regarded not as survival tactics but as violent colonial ones.”

In Mondoweiss, Rutger University’s Deepa Kumar details the ways that the Palestinian side of the story is seeping into the mainstream media narrative because of the sheer magnitude of the death and destruction in Gaza.

“For the first time, perhaps, Americans are witnessing the suffering of Palestinian people in the establishment press. Even while the framework of “Blame Hamas” dominates mainstream media coverage, the humanity of Palestinian people is cracking through the decades-long, well established façade of pro-Israeli propaganda.”

Extending Israeli sovereignty

While some media are noting the erosion of support for Israel’s propaganda talking points, other pro-Israel media seem to be offering more extreme ideas for “solving the Gaza problem” once and for all.

Martin Sherman, founder and executive director of the Israel Institute for Strategic Studies, wrote In a Jerusalem Post op-ed piece that while he feels badly about the climbing civilian death toll in Gaza, he has an idea about how to stop it:

“The only durable solution requires dismantling Gaza, humanitarian relocation of the non-belligerent Arab population, and extension of Israeli sovereignty over the region.”

That would be simpler, wouldn’t it? No more “belligerent” Palestinians resisting Israeli massacres and land thefts. Sherman doesn’t think the illegal Jewish settlements in the West Bank should be “dismantled,” but he thinks Gaza should be. As for the “humanitarian relocation,” one wonders whether that would be anything like the humanitarian relocation of Palestinians from their land in 1948. That time, three-quarters of a million were driven from their homes and turned into refugees.

Sherman continues: “Clearly, the problem of Gaza was created by the belief that land could be transferred to the Palestinian Arabs to provide them a viable opportunity for self-governance. Equally clearly, then, the problem of Gaza cannot be solved by persisting with ideas that created it. …The problem can only be solved by entirely abandoning the concept that Gaza should be governed by Palestinian Arabs.”

So, a decidedly one-state solution from Mr. Sherman.

I’m struck by his idea that Israel has “provided” land for the Palestinians to govern themselves. And I particularly like the reference to the “non-belligerent” Arab population. Is that like, “If you leave your homes and your land quietly, we won’t kill you”? I imagine that those who resist the “extension of Israeli sovereignty” would not be so lucky.

Others are also calling for an end to Gaza as we know it. Israeli foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman has called for Gaza to be made into a UN controlled zone. This would require the consent of both Israel and the Palestinian Authority. He cites the British control of Palestine and the international control over Kosovo and East Timor as examples of how this could work.

Lieberman acknowledges that getting the Israeli message out during the current offensive has been a challenge, but he says that ultimately it is getting through.

“We are facing several simultaneous attempts to damage the legitimacy of our self-determination,” Lieberman said. “There is a wave of anti-Semitism that was unleashed in light of this conflict… we have organized many interviews in the media, organized protests. It’s true that on screen they first show civilian casualties, and unfortunately there are civilian casualties, but [they also show] the Israeli narrative, that terror organizations are using the population as a human shield.”

We must not forget the creative proposal by Moshe Feiglin, Deputy Speaker of the Israeli Knesset and member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s ruling Likud Party. Feiglin’s proposed plan, which he posted on Facebook and also sent to Netanyahu in a letter, would see concentration camps created in Gaza. And it would see Gazans shipped to locations around the world. Those who continued fighting the Israeli military, and those who support them, would be “annihilated.”

‘Permissible genocide’

Speaking of annihilation, we can’t forget the colorful piece with the headline “When genocide is permissible” by a young American blogger named Yochanan Gordon that appeared in the Times of Israel for a short time this week. It was removed the same day because it does not follow the Times guidelines and does not reflect the views of the paper.

While I give them credit for pulling it (and I acknowledge that many strong supporters of Israel would find it offensive), I think its publication, even for a short time, says a lot about how extreme opinions on this subject are becoming. Gordon, who was able to post his article without it having to be seen by an editor, has apparently been removed from the paper’s list of approved bloggers.

But like Sherman, Gordon wasn’t worried about political correctness. He just has his own way of finding a solution to a problem. He says the goal, as articulated by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, is to achieve a “sustainable quiet for the citizens of Israel.

“If political leaders and military experts determine that the only way to achieve its goal of sustaining quiet is through genocide is it then permissible to achieve those responsible goals?”

My sense is that Mr. Gordon doesn’t have a strong appreciation for irony.

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On a personal level, my Facebook posts on the Gaza massacre have landed me in hot water with a number of friends who see the human toll as being simply out of Israel’s hands (apparently Hamas is doing all the killing).

Some friends have explained to me this week that I have no business taking sides against Israel in the current massacre. One of these “friends” said I was a “Jew hater” and that the hate I express is just what you’d expect from a conspiracy theorist.  He wondered what my grandparents were doing when Jews were being turned away from Canada at the end of World War 2.

“Do you hate Israel that much that you are blinded to their multi-generational struggle? Are they not as human as the Palestinians? Do they not deserve to survive?”

Apparently my “friend” isn’t too good with irony either.

Then he got really personal: “You are a scared little person who was beaten by one or both of his parents physically and verbally. Your behaviour and your choice of words is all the proof I need to convince people, one at a time, just how sad you are.”

Another friend who was standing up for Gaza on Facebook was told by someone that she and I both know to “shut the fuck up” about things she knows nothing about. Another wanted to know why critics of Israel don’t care about the higher numbers of people being killed in Syria, Iraq, and other countries – as if the issue is simply a mathematical one. The implication seems to be that if you are yelling about Gaza and not about Syria then you must have some type of anti-Jewish bias.

I just find this situation gets more and more depressing. I don’t like being attacked for opposing the slaughter of innocent people. And I’m saddened by the idea that some friends think I have no regard for their survival. But every time I start feeling sorry for myself, I just think about the fact that I’m sitting in my apartment writing this article, and no one is trying to blow me up or destroy my home or kill the people I care most about.

183 comments

  1. Will sanity win the ‘propaganda war’ in time to save the Palestinians?

    I know none of us know that answer. But it is a question likely on most minds.

    I appreciate your passion, Craig. Another heart rending story with soul, thank you.
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    1. The tools once used to manipulate the masses (namely the corporate media) are failing. The fact of the matter is the corporate whore media is largely controlled by Zionist supremacists. It is a great thing for the world that their control of all media is in free fall.

  2. As usual, the words used by Israel to justify its murderous aggression can be turned to better use describing it. “human Shield’ more applying to the Israeli attrition; using Palestinian civilians as ‘shielding their reason’ – hiding an outrageous land grab and mass-murder behind the projection of ‘human shield’ utilized against them, thus ‘shielding’ them of responsibility. The use of the term to justify this war crime to ‘cover’ their own acts of genocide.
    Any of us having studied history will never betray the horrors of holocaust we have read and understood. But the horror in the eyes of the Jewish people, under Hitler, is the very same horror in the eyes of the children of GAZA, under Israel,
    right now.
    Nothing allows for it. Nothing .
    GAZA is how it feels to watch naked fascism working over a population without any ability to stop it.
    Israel is making the us watch the slaughter of innocents.
    Just so we know how it feels.

  3. Great article Craig. Thanks for providing the proof that what Israel is really after is the expulsion of the Palestinians from Gaza so they can have the land and fresh water and other resources, such as oil fields which are rumored to have been discovered off shore of Israel and which presumably extend down the coast. It is the wild west all over again. Continuous stealing from the truly native people. I shudder with anger and disgust.

  4. There is no moral equivalency between the actions of Israel and the Gaza defenders. And the social media has informed us of that; imagine if we had only our televisions to rely on.

    The photos I’ve seen have been gut-wrenching … I’ve seen enough, I believe, to understand the reality of war. Now, I need only remember, in the future, the reality is that of all wars. I will never again allow myself to get caught up in the flag-waving or hero worship; hatred and vengeance. I’m done with these things. And I will encourage others, too, to stand up to those who defend actions like those of Israel.

  5. By Prof Michel Chossudovsky
    Global Research, August 03, 2014
    Url of this article:
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/israels-military-strategyobliterate-them-completely-overwhelming-evidence-of-genocide-precise-data-on-death-and-destruction-in-gaza/5394678

    “The following data (carefully compiled by Lesley Bravery, scroll down) confirm the central objective behind Israel’s military strategy which consists in “implementing genocide”, in carrying out “a strategy of obliteration”.

    While killing civilians is a central objective, destroying the Palestinian economy, wrecking the institutions of civil society and making life impossible and unbearable for those who survive the bombings are an integral part of the military campaign:

    Residential areas are singled out for bombing and shelling campaigns. Most of the buildings destroyed or damaged are people’s homes.

    Schools, hospitals, clinics are targeted.

    The bombings are also intent upon the destruction of electricity, water and waste-water infrastructure.

    The Unspoken objective is Genocide directed against the People of Palestine.

    The Expulsion of Palestinians from their Homeland

    Let us be under no illusions. The central objective of the Zionist State is expulsion and territorial expansion”
    ============
    Now there are those who say that there has been a ‘seachange’ for the worse by Israel, that they have become more fascistic in the last few years. Even some of their strongest detractors speak out with such a perspective.

    I see this perspective as deeply erroneous and lacking a clear historical understanding. It has ALWAYS BEEN the goal of Zionism to take all of Palestine … and beyond. Those who have seen the final borders of Eretz Israel – From the Nile to the Euphrates, the future map of Israel, should grasp this reality.
    To those who know the real history of the political intrigue and machinations behind the curtains that led to the foundation of Israel, understand that this has been the goal and agenda long before even the two world wars. This is and ancient dream, and the worlds contemporary nightmare.

    Those who don’t take the Protocols seriously are still under sedation with the influence of Zionist propaganda.

    The “snooze button” has been pushed way too many times, wake up and smell the death.

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  6. The Black Heart of Zion Revealed

    A lot of Israelis and supporters of Israel are backing away in horror from a blatant revealing of what is supposed to remain their SECRET desire.

    Things like the Yochanan Gordon column are not supposed to be said out-loud, they are meant to be thought but not spoken. But this psychopathic murderous attack could not take place if genocide was not the real intent of Israel and their patron, Amerika.
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  7. He wondered what my grandparents were doing when Jews were being turned away from Canada at the end of World War 2.

    “Do you hate Israel that much that you are blinded to their multi-generational struggle? Are they not as human as the Palestinians? Do they not deserve to survive?”

    At this stage, given how dire and inhuman the situation is in Gaza right now, I think it is necessary for me to discuss, here at this blog, the one taboo that is virtually unmentionable in polite company even within 9/11 truth circles: the holocaust. Just as the American people would not have supported invading Iraq, Afghanistan, and having their civil liberties curtailed, without a 9/11, the western world in general would not support the creation of Israel if it weren’t for the holocaust.

    The reason that more Americans are not outraged about what’s going on, is because of this placard the western world has been fed for the past half century plus: “The Jews have a right to defend themselves.” The post 9/11 Islamophobia that has set in within much of the western world among those who still believe the official 9/11 story makes it easy for people to blindly accept, without a shred of critical thinking, that Hamas MUST be the bad guys, because they’re those brown skinned AAA-rabs who like to go around killing Jews and hijacking airplanes. But clearly, any talk of Jews having a “right” to “defend” themselves is a blatant allusion to the holocaust.

    What is undeniable is that there was indeed a mass ethnic cleansing by the Nazis of Jews and other minorities. People were forced out of their homes at gunpoint against their will and packed onto trains which had inhuman conditions; crammed, no seats, no food or water, poor ventilation, a bucket in the corner for a toilet. Many were dead on arrival to the camp. At the camps, they were put to work at forced labor. They were beaten, they were shot, etc. and no human should ever have to experience this.

    But what is the center of the doughnut when it comes to what people think of when they think of the “Holocaust?” They think of “millions of Jews being killed in gas chambers.” On an industrial, assembly line scale, we were told. Then of course, there is the sacred six million figure, which, if challenged, will result in the challenger being branded a heretic.

    There were numerous propaganda stories about the camps that circulated after the war and were presented as “evidence” at Nuremberg. These included chambers that killed Jews with an electric floor; chambers in which floors opened so that corpses fell into trains below. Then there are the infamous stories of human skin lampshades and human fat soap, which, although thoroughly disproven, still circulate as truth today, as does the claim that Jews were thrown alive into ovens. (Anyone ever heard that sick joke about the Jew and the pepperoni pizza? It’s too obscene to repeat here but you can google or bing it.)

    Those stories are accepted as myth by traditional holocaust scholars. Another fact that is not disputed by either side is that all labor camps, including those not said to have had gas chambers for killing humans, did indeed have “Zyklon-B gas chambers” for killing lice and any accompanying diseases, particularly typhus.

    Where traditionalists and revisionists part ways is with regard to the existence of Zyklon-B gas chambers for killing humans. While this is the cornerstone of the standard holocaust story, an objective inquiry into the subject shows the claim to have no basis in fact, forensically or logistically.

    Most ironically, one of the people who did the most groundbreaking work in this inquiry was himself a Jew: David Cole. It was Gretavo from the WTCDemolition blog who in 2008 first alerted me to Cole’s videotaped tour of Auschwitz; as he said to me: “While I was reluctant myself to question the gas chambers, boy was I intrigued to understand why a Jew would question it.” So I watched Cole’s tour of Auschwitz and interview with the curator:

    …and was completely blown away. Much like that moment when you went from asleep to realizing that the buildings were obvious controlled demolitions, you will see this and be amazed that you believed the gas chamber propaganda for so long. At the very least, [spoiler alert!] Cole proved that the gas chamber shown to tourists at Auschwitz was in fact a recreation by the Soviets after the war; yet the low down tour guides are trained to tell the tourists a lie, that the chamber is the original. That’s the LEAST Cole proved. Just as 2.25 seconds of absolute freefall of WTC7 constitute a simple fact that has huge implications, so too does the revelation that thousands of tourists each year are lied to at Auschwitz.

    Jewish holocaust revisionist David Cole went into hiding in 1998 after writing a “recantation” of his holocaust research. The reason he did this is because Irv Rubin, head of the JDL (Jewish Defense League), a terrorist organization according to the FBI (they once planned to bomb a Lebanese congressman’s office), put a $25,000 bounty on Cole’s head for anyone who’d be willing to kill him. Cole’s letter affirmed the conventional story and he was never heard from again…. until 2013. He was outed by a rueful girlfriend. He had changed his name to David Stein, and had founded a fun-loving party group called “Republican Party Animals.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/may/03/david-stein-cole-holocaust-revisionist

    He admits that yes, he did “recant” because of death threats; no he hasn’t really changed his views.

    Two myths, (1) the myth of millions gassed in chambers and (2) hijacked planes by Muslims bringing down American buildings, are joined at the hip in that they serve to “legitimize,” at least in the eyes of the more easily brainwashed, the genocide taking place in Gaza right now under the mask of Jewish people needing to defend themselves.

    1. Bravo Mr Syed,

      Very good summation.

      It is also that the myth of the Holocaust focuses exclusively on “Jewish suffering”, when in fact the Nazi terror state was involved with extinguishing any and all enemies, the Jews being the primary PR scapegoat.

      Also true is that it was very much part of the Zionist scheme to create the excuse of the Holocaust, and actively collaborated with the Nazis to sacrifice the “Lesser Brethren” to the cause of promoting the “dire need” of a “Jewish Homeland”. All told an incredible psychopathic agenda developed long before either of the world wars.

      “Unfortunately, I have lived long enough to know that history is often not what actually happened but what is recorded as such.”~Secretary of War, Henry Stimson [WWII]
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      1. Thanks.

        Some of the holocaust propaganda is really transparent when you take the blinders off. In light of what we did to Dresden, Hiroshima, etc., and considering how Roosevelt rounded up every Japanese American who lived on the west coast (110,000 according to Wiki) and sent them to barbed wire internment camps for three years… in addition to the Zionist angle and the creation of Israel, there was a simple need for he victors of the war to minimize their own crimes against humanity by making it appear that the opposition was infinitely worse: they didn’t just put people in camps, but gassed them and made lampshades out of them!

        Take this aspect of the holocaust story: upon getting off trains, men and women are separated, and once separated, are led to showers. The standard story is that while they are TOLD they are going to be deloused, this is just a cover so that the Jews don’t panic, when “in reality” they are about to be gassed to death. Once the sexes are separated, they are ordered to undress. They sit at a bench where fellow prisoners, forced to work for the Nazis, are given the dehumanizing task of shaving their brethren’s hair on the head, armpits, and genital area. According to the Holocaust Industry propaganda stories, this shaving of the hair, right before the gassing, was to serve two purposes: (1) so that the sadistic Nazis could get a thrill out of sexually dehumanizing Jews and robbing them of all dignity in their final moments of life prior to entering the chamber, and (2) to collect Jewish hair and ship it to German factories, where the hair was used to make carpets and stuff mattresses.

        If the Nazis truly had an “extermination” program, is the above scenario even remotely feasible? A killing operation like this would already be bottlenecked enough. What would the practical point of a haircut be? Couldn’t German factories collect wool from the sheep from German farmers?

        Also, if the program were to exterminate people, and if the plan was to be sadistic and sexually degrade them to boot, what would be point of separating the sexes upon disembarking the train? Why not maximize the humiliation by forcing friends and family (and many strangers) to undress in mixed company?

        (Incidentally, even the Holocaust Industry can’t keep its story straight here. The following docu-drama, claiming to dramatize Auschwitz, features a co-ed gas chamber. Youtube dot com and then /watch?v=ah3utUn93fw This gas chamber is also not “packed to capacity” as the official narrative generally holds.)

        What makes more sense is that (1) the sexes were actually separated to preserve their basic human dignity, (2) that the shaving of hair was done for the reasons that the Nazis said it was: lice control, (3) that the purposes of the shower rooms were indeed for showers which was necessary to halt the spread of disease including typhus. While showering, their belongings are taken to a Zyklon-B gas chamber whose purpose is to fumigate and disinfect. These belongings would be held until the prisoners would be released from the camp after the war, during which meantime they would be issued a prisoner uniform, which would be waiting for them upon exiting the shower.

          1. I have seen that on YT, not the whole thing, but skipped around for samples.

            Right now I’m watching this documentary, which David Cole mentions in a recent interview that I’ve got on pause.

            1. My eyes regarding the truth of what happened in the holocaust have been opened in large part to what Adam Syed introduced me to.

  8. A 72-hour truce went into effect at 8 a.m. today in Gaza, shortly after a final flurry of Hamas rocket attacks and Israeli airstrikes. Israeli ground troops are now withdrawing from the area.
    August 5, 2014
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  9. Here’s an address to all world leaders, slowly, also through the social media, spreading its message out to more and more people around he globe:

    “…….
    I speak unto you who are the rulers of the many nations, whether you be rulers by inheritance or election, and whichever title you may bear. Hear me, for I speak unto you all!

    Make it your common goal that each of you shall become the best and most worthy person of your nation. Demand much of yourselves, that you may demand much of others. Be beyond reproach in your dealings, that all may respect, honour and love you. Choose your counsellors with great care and wisdom, and choose them from among those who are unselfish, truthful, wise and just. Protect the weak, the poor and the oppressed. Be unselfish in your care for the welfare of the nations and the peoples. Never act against that which your conscience tells you to be truth and justice.
    Do not gain dominion over the realms of others by force or by cunning, and never compel the people of other nations to submit in humility to your rule; for all this is of the evil!
    Be understanding and patient toward the people whose native countries have been seized by your forefathers, by your predecessors or by yourselves. Seek to rectify and to assuage some of the injustice that has been brought upon those who have been compelled by force and through hatred and envy to live under foreign rule, and who against their will have been separated from those states to which they rightfully belong.
    Be as brethren toward one another. With good will abolish all strife and dispute, and never disturb the peace which prevails among the realms and the nations.
    Yea, truly I say unto you: be you the first to establish an enduring, brotherly concord; and pray unto our Father to bless you and the pact which you agree upon, that you and your successors may be able to keep the promises that you have given one another. Yea, pray unto our Father to bless you, that you and those who come after you may never, never again break the peace upon the Earth!

    Pray unto our Father to enlighten you upon the truth of my words. Pray unto Him for help and guidance, that each of you may truly fill the position that is yours.
    …….”

    Cheers

  10. And here another address spreading its message around as well:

    “…….
    I speak unto you who are the givers of laws, unto you who in numerous ways take part in
    the various kinds of governance in the nations and the states. Hear me, for I speak unto you all!

    Make it your common goal fully and with all your might to serve the country and the people to which you belong. Prepare your laws as though you yourselves should be judged by each and every statute, for then will your laws be just.
    Do not by guile or with deceit force yourselves into high positions that are not rightfully yours and which you cannot properly fill. Be truthful to the utmost and be sincere in all your speech. Never act against your conscience, indeed, never act upon selfish thoughts of personal gain! Cease all your disgraceful strife and quarrelling. Never hurl bitter or hateful words against those who share not your beliefs. Do not besmirch the name and honour of your adversaries by false accusations, by untrue and wicked slander. Be meek toward one another. Go to meet one another, seek to work in mutual peace and understanding, that you may best further the interests of the nations and the peoples.
    Abolish all condemning unto death; for no human being has the right to take the life of another, no matter how many crimes have been committed. Do not prepare laws that compel your brethren to murder and to slay one another in warfare; for all this is of the evil! Let all bearing of arms be of the free will, until all the nations and lands upon the Earth are united in a lasting, unbreakable pact of peace.
    Give proper care unto the poor, unto the sick and to the wretched of all ages – men as well as women – unto all abandoned wives, unto all needy widows and unto all orphans among you. For I say unto you: however vast your nation may be, there shall not be one single human being in distress – man, woman or child – who must beg for their daily bread. Nor must anyone able and willing to labour drift about without home and without work. Therefore, provide shelter, food, clothing and work without delay for all who cannot obtain these for themselves.
    Support not and help not in any manner by which it becomes demeaning charity, but in such manner that those who receive the help and support from your society can with gladness and gratitude accept the help that is offered them.
    Yea, truly, I say unto you: your obligations are many, and your responsibility is great; I ask you therefore carefully to consider that which I have said unto you. For you shall know that if out of selfishness or faintness of heart you give not care unto the poor, unto the suffering and to the unfortunate, then shall you surely taste the want and misery of the homeless and the poor in your coming lives upon the Earth until you have learnt to take pity on your unfortunate fellow human beings.
    Pray unto our Father to open your eyes, that you may see the truth of my words. Pray unto our Father to sustain and to guide you; for is He with you, then shall your laws surely be fully just.
    …….”

    Cheers

    1. Wow!! Such novel ideas in these messages Tamborine!

      I’ll betcha none of these “world leaders” ever heard anything like that before!
      I’m sure they will all drop to their knees and pray forgiveness upon reading that.
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      1. Not – unless of course you think that a God in the highest of the heavens is a “christian”!

        This here is more to my liking:

        Cheers

        1. Is that more to your liking Tamborine?
          Is that what really counts here, what is to your liking? As long as Tamborine man is happy nothing else is of import? Yes?

          So again the serious discussion here is leveled like Gaza itself and it’s now sermon and party time for the lunatics.

          What is an insult? Are all insults created equal? What about insults to our intelligence?
          The subject is more nuanced than most would assume, and certainly more subtle than my detractors would suggest.
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        2. Completely off topic and unwelcome. I am here to discuss the massacre in Gaza not your views on religion or Sinead O’connor music videos. Did it possibly occur to you Tamborine man before you started preaching to us that many, I would say most, of us already reject organized religion and have our own personal beliefs about God and morality. The fact is you have no idea at all who the hell you are preaching to or what our beliefs are or whether or not we have already gone far beyond yourself in spirituality. Your posts are off topic and disruptive to the excellent discussion that was and hopefully still is taking place here.

        3. Tambourine Man,

          No more posts on religion unless you are DIRECTLY relating to the topic being discussed. And I mean directly. I would go back and delete the post above, but it seems that when I do that it causes problems with the order and readability of the remaining comments. Keep it on topic, please.

          1. Craig McKee,

            there was no ‘religion’ at all in any of the two posts you refer to. They both were addressed directly to all world leaders and lawmakers to remind them what their duties are supposed to be all about, and which stands in so infinite contrast to what most of them are actually participating in, namely instead repeating what has been going on for numerous centuries and has caused nothing but untold sufferings and miseries in its wake.

            I dared to respond with a rather pertinent video to a poster who accused me of “preaching”(!!), and for that i’m now considered a vile enemy by you, even though in a previous post i expressed my view that ‘religion’ find itself in “the throes of dying”???

            Craig, i’m totally confused by your words. Can this really be real?

            I’m a Danish citizen. Denmark abolished all censorship back in -68. That’s 46 flaming years ago. How times fly. Isn’t it about time getting up to speed?

            I remember how outraged you were over the conduct by the idiots over at the ‘blogger’ forum. IIRC, even you yourself was censored and banned over there for virtually nothing – is that correct? And now you’re willing to adopt their nasty methods on your own blog?

            As said, i’m confused. Hope this time you’ll respond to my concerns!

            Cheers

            1. Tambourine Man,

              I am just asking you to stay on topic the best you can. Yes, you were addressing world leaders but the “pray unto our father” part really isn’t appropriate for the discussion. I mean no insult to you or your faith. It seems that comment streams on this blog can go well for a while and then they go off topic and into personal attacks so easily. There is plenty of guilt to go around on this score. I’m sorry if I was rude in taking my frustration out on you. I have been exhausted by the Facebook battle over Gaza for the past month, and all the personal attacks that have come from that. I think my nerves are a bit frayed.

              1. And now this Mr McKee,

                I was duly cited and reprimanded for using the rather tepid “insult” of the word “twit” just a thread ago.

                Yet I get framed thus by SEO:
                “..ego-centric, sociopathic Mr. Rogue..”

                Is it because SEO is civil and formal enough to use “Mr” before my name that lets him off the hook for the myriad of obvious violations of not only decor, but direct orders not to mention his rocking horse topic?

                Civil Society & Polite Eloquent Discourse As Baby-Talk

                Plush toy dialog, the seduction of the Anchor Man, the saccharine scripts of politicians, and “everything’s better with blue bonnet on it”. Conditioning and programming with the carrot… the pretense there really is no stick, that is a “false memory” because everything is beautiful in “the land of the free” where the barkers smile and hand out free colored balloons. Where the rich and famous invite you into their house to show you they are just ‘everyday people’, while Oprah balloons, and shrinks, and balloons and shrinks like the phases of the moon. Yes it’s candy mountain from sea to shining sea…where seldom is heard a discouraging word, and the skies are not cloudy all day, and turnips taste like cherry pie, and you’re the apple of the Presidents eye, and Jesus loves you this you know, cuz the bible tells you so.

                Well, THAT is all bullshit. It’s “goochie goochie goo” – it’s baby talk.
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            2. Oh please TM, asking you to stay on topic is not censorship in any way shape or form and that you would suggest that Craig is flirting with 911blogger style censorship is outrageous and also for me very insightful as to your true motives. As far as I can tell you have been allowed to say what you want and I know for a fact I have been allowed to say what I want so where is the specter of censorship here at T+S? No what you are bothered by is that with my free speech here I called you out for preaching to us, which you most certainly did do. I also pointed out that it was completely off topic, which it most certainly was. Now Craig asked you to stay on topic, which you most certainly should do, and you play the victim of censorship card! So, much like the Israeli’s play the victim card, you do so, when in reality you, like the Israeli’s, are the one that is doing wrong. Bravo!

              How about you just stay on topic and quit being a troll trying to disrupt the discussion?

          2. Yes Tamborine you certainly are confused. You don’t grasp the context of what is and is not “religious”, you do not understand that you are speaking from a theological perspective with your commentary.
            You cannot distinguish between the sacred and the secular. This is why you can claim with a straight face that, “there was no ‘religion’ at all in any of the two posts you refer to.”

            It is simple Tamborine, preaching the commandments of “God” is evangelical religious language, prima facea.

            Whether Craig will take the time to explain something so bleeding obvious to you I have no idea. But most of us with a lick of lucidity understand these things perfectly well.

            And don’t you dare come back with your bullshit that this comment is an “attack”, I am simply trying to explain something to you (again!) that you seem incapable of grasping. Frustration follows in your wake like the blood from a whaling ship.
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    2. Who were the jejune first to “squeal and oink” [not my words] at Mr. Tamborine Man’s comments? One participant is already just shy of 50% of the total comments.

      FTR, I didn’t find Mr. TM’s comments offensive or distracting, any more than I found Mr. Adam Syed’s comments about the Holocaust as such. Both are marginally related and interesting. Mr. TM should have offered links to where he posted this before, because T&S should not have been his first & last place for an address of such magnitude “to all world leaders” and “to more and more people around the globe.” Once Mr. TM did his one hit and if he wasn’t going to stay on topic, he should run and not engage those who “squeal and oink”. Mission would be accomplished without negative turns.

      However, the “squealing and oinking” over-reaction I did find offensive and distracting. Just opened the door for further distractions for Mr. Adam Ruff and others to bemoan.

      Because they were devoid of his original thought and seemed to have been posted for nefarious reasons (e.g., to get the copy-and-pasted brilliance to reflect onto himself, to balance bad behavior, to dominate and steer the discussion), Mr. Rogue’s many “innocuous” re-postings of (one example) Global Research articles, etc. are pretty annoying. Nobody here needs Mr. Rogue to act like an RSS feed or subscription service to point out what Professor Rogue finds interesting at the moment. Geesh. Talk about a cheat.

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      1. Ahh.. so the double slasher arrives, even without a due minimum token comment to pave his way, to squeal and oink about Mr Ruff and I; always the main targets for his attacks.

        He has made it more than obvious this past half year or so, that he really has no interest in the topics being discussed here on T&S – his ONLY agenda is to slash and burn every thread that comes along here in his futile attempt to defame me and despoil my presence.

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      2. You know SEO your comment is completely off topic as well. Your criticism of HR1 is off topic simply because his comments you criticize are in fact on topic! You don’t like him or me or our comments and that is fine and well but keep it to yourself because it is OFF TOPIC! I am not interested in your obsessive vendetta against HR1 or myself. I want to talk about the topic Craig posted and most of us were talking about it and having a good discussion until TM came in and pooped all over it. Now you come in and spread the poop even more and try to play like you are some kind of good guy? You are not a good guy you are intentionally disrupting the discussion. Stick your vendetta where the sun doesn’t shine, I don’t care what your opinion of HR1 or myself is. I get it and so does everyone else, you don’t like HR1 or me, you do not need to say it again, we will not forget.

        Your posts do not address the topic. Let me say that again, you do not address the topic. Your very few on topic comments are very brief and superficial and are designed to segue into your personal rants about how much you hate HR1 or myself. If you cannot discuss the topic then you should not be here, simple as that. DAMN I wish there was an IGNORE button.

      3. What can i say SEO! I’m forever impressed by your very sharp mind and your wonderful eloquence. Thanks so much for your support.

        The two posts above are from the OP in my thread at P4T. It must have been read by tens of thousands of people there! Initially it was a response to the insanities of George W. and his mob.

        Cheers mate

        1. Dear Mr. Tamborine Man, you wrote:

          The two posts above are from the OP in my thread at P4T.

          Every comment is entitled to two links or URLs for free, e.g., sneaking under the radar for what gets automatically relegated to the moderation queue for Mr. McKee to approve.

          Sorry for my snippiness, but saying — with the wave of a hand and two abbreviations “OP” and “P4T” that later-day lurker readers may not even be familiar with and must somehow translate into a more proper website name and corresponding URL — where your words were previously posted and “read by tens of thousands” does not cut it, particularly when you were asked for a link above and then still managed to fumble your response to that without anything clickable or enterable into my browser’s address field. This is the second time around.

          Dropping the URL into your comment will get hyperlinked automatically when published. The structure <a ref=”myURL”>myLinkText</a> is standard HTML and gives a secondary playing field to any discussion that can be independent of the textual, primary level. If anything, the formatting with square brackets […] that you are familiar with on P4T is the bastardization of HTML. Search & replace the square brackets […] with angle brackets <…>, and most likely you’ll re-create the formatting from P4T in your posting here.

          Ergo, you can follow the advice of everyone else on this forum by writing something textually that is completely and entirely on the topic while at the same time putting an advertising link around <a ref=”myURL”>innocuous text</a> to deliver your (spiritual) message.

          Win-Win.

          Word of advice, if the URL is IMPORTANT to the action desired from the reader or to substantiating something, it can be sometimes best to write it as text rather than formatted into a link around other text. Why? Because an inattentive copy-and-paste won’t loose the URL; the URL is exposed as text and is retained even if the hyperlinking and other formatting are stripped.

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          1. My dear SEO,

            i completely get your point, and it’s definitely appreciated. I thank you for giving me this opportunity to clarify my reasons for not supplying the URL referred to.

            First of all, i don’t really like the whole idea of “self-promotion” and that’s the main reason i didn’t add the URL to the post.
            Secondly, the thread has reached 47 pages, and i can’t imagine anybody would have the patience to go through them all, unless of course a person reads post #11 and get “hooked” by the subject matter, and thus wants to verify the ‘proof’ for themselves!
            Thirdly, to be able to confirm the proof, the person must be able to distinguish between spirituality and “the religious”, as these two concepts are worlds and worlds apart. (Thanks again, SEO for alluding to this with your bracket “(spiritual)”, which was most welcome and clearly, vividly, shows your power of perception to all good people here on this blog)!

            I would like to add the following, hoping not to get into too much trouble because of it!
            I did not achieve this proof all by myself, naturally. I was blessed with some brilliant collaborators whom i want to mention here, as without their contributions i would never have been able to sit here and write this particular post: First, Leonardo da Vinci – (Vitruvian man). Michael Mayers – (Atalanta Fugiens 1617). Le Cor busier – (Modulor). Pit Hein – (Supercirle/Superellipse). The latter, the most important, so get to know him, please!
            There were others, but not known to the wider public, so shall not be mentioned here!

            In passing let me just add that i normally use URL links where ever needed. F. ex. i used two links to “VeteransForTruth” in the previous thread, but i don’t think anyone took any notice of that?

            Cheers mate

        2. Too bad neither SEO’s comments or yours are on topic huh? Perhaps that is what you really admire is SEO’s ability to derail threads? Perhaps you are attempting to emulate him/her/it?

    3. Mr. Adam Ruff writes:

      You know SEO your comment is completely off topic as well.

      Not really. It had tie-in’s to Mr. Syed’s and Mr. TM’s comments. It wasn’t top-level (e.g., new off-topic point), but was nested under and in response to what already was in the forum.

      Your criticism of HR1 is off topic simply because his comments you criticize are in fact on topic!

      His first comment to Mr. TM was on topic, but ~not~ his attitude, ~not~ his language, and ~not~ the follow-up exchanges. He would have done well to STFU. Please be more observant. Classic example of a disinfo troll purposely spoiling the comments section.

      You bemoaned in a August 4, 2014 at 9:47 am comment:

      I take personal offense each and every time this is done and I find T+S to be a constant target for Sunstein’s minions… I find this derailing activity to be disgusting and insulting and damaging to the issues under consideration here… I just find it hard to believe that all the derailing that is done here is simply accidental. In fact I do not believe it is accidental at all.

      The case has already been presented regarding Mr. TM’s actions possibly fitting this mold. But unobservant Mr. Ruff craftily overlooks the Bic-lighter actions of his little buddy, Mr. Rogue, in igniting the flames. Oh, no, in Mr. Ruff’s book, Mr. Rogue is totally awesome MVP, can do no wrong, and doesn’t fit the Cinderella slippers of a Sunstein minion. No. Can’t be. Mr. Rogue would never deliberately torpedo a discussion.

      Yet he has. Every discussion that Mr. McKee has ever closed had Mr. Rogue as an active, flame-throwing participant.

      I have come to the conclusion that some people are just mentally ill and cannot stop and never will stop.

      Indeed. Count the comments in this thread. Subscribe to Mr. Rogue’s blog. Be more observant.

      When I do come back here I will approach this problem in an entirely new way. For now I am tired of the BS and I am cutting my losses and my stress and taking a break.

      So much for cutting losses, stress, and taking a break. Hypocrite.

      Back to Mr. Ruff’s last posting:

      You don’t like [Mr. Rogue] or me or our comments and that is fine and well but keep it to yourself because it is OFF TOPIC!

      More failures in observation, Mr. Ruff. Please point out where I expressed a dislike of either of you two in my comment. What I dislike are your hypocritical statements and diversionary over-reactions. And I’ll call you out on it every time I see it, because I value truth and honesty above all else.

      I am not interested in your obsessive vendetta against HR1 or myself.

      Is that so? Where’s the beef? You’ve even made repeated promises the last couple of years (a) that you don’t read my comments and (b) that you ignore my comments. Was this because you’re too clueless to make a decent argument to counter rationally my position? Me thinks so. You’ve been a hypocritical blowhard from the onset. Where’s your big fat IGNORE and not rising to the occassion?

      I want to talk about the topic Craig posted and most of us were talking about it and having a good discussion until TM came in and pooped all over it.

      And you two diversionary WWF tag-teamers have to go and step in it and track it all over the place well before I make my posting. Show some restraint, my good man.

      Now you come in and spread the poop even more and try to play like you are some kind of good guy?

      Yep, I’m the good guy. As for the poop spreading, your comment come before mine. Check the soles of your shoes before smelling mine.

      I don’t care what your opinion of HR1 or myself is.

      Prove it. Ignore me.

      I get it and so does everyone else, you don’t like HR1 or me, you do not need to say it again, we will not forget.

      As has been pointed out again and again, you ~don’t~ get it. I’ve made favorable comments about certain things you’ve written. When I’ve objected, I’ve made it known.

      What I don’t like is your hypocrisy, Mr. Ruff.

      What I ~get~ from your hyprocrisy, Mr. Ruff, is that your comments need to be aimed at yourself. Practice what you preach.

      FTR, I follow the discussions. I take in the information. I contemplate. I don’t need to chime in with back-slapping “me-too-isms” and “I agree” on every single thread within every single forum. I probably know as much or more about the holocaust and Nazi practices than Mr. Syed, although from a different perspective. [I’m fluent in German and have lived there as an adult.]

      And when the topic is on the fringes of either my knowledge or my interests, I don’t feel compelled to muscle my way in and slap down my opinions. You’ll know when I disagree.

      Show some fortitude, Mr. Ruff, and IGNORE this.

      As for ego-centric, sociopathic Mr. Rogue? Notice the framing: “Oh, woes me?!! I badger everyone and when someone objects, I’m the target! I’m the victim being defamed. It’s all about me. Me. Me. Me. Look at my posting count!”

      Used to be that outside my nookiedoo hobby horse topic, I disagreed with less than 10% of what Mr. Rogue posted (not necessary wrote). Thanks to his disagreeable “squealing and oinking” [not my words], that margin of disagreement has doubled or tripled.

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      1. You have just made my case for me SEO. Thank you. May I lastly point out that your lame attempt to paint your comments as being on topic are laughable. You have virtually nothing to say that is on topic ever. You are intentionally disrupting threads.

      2. Again more slashing by the double slasher entity and only rhetorical jabberwacky attempting to call it topical. It is not.

        As far as this thread goes, “squealing and oinking” are indeed your words now, and you can eat them.
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      3. I shall repeat here something I just posted on my blog, with the language changed to make it applicable here:
        . . . . . . . . . .
        My blog, HR1blog, must not be considered a franchise of Truth and Shadows, and quotes must not be lifted from this site as if they were part of Truth and Shadows.

        The context and essence of the two sites are different. My site is my personal journal, even though open to public purview. But it is not a discussion site for the general public, but only for those who have previously vetted as personal friends.

        Again, those who quote me from HR1blog are responsible for spreading the word written there. The onus and responsibility for such propagation is entirely in the hands of those who do so.
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    4. Never be afraid to raise your voice for honesty and truth and compassion, against injustice and lying and greed. If people all over the world did this, it would change the Earth.
      ~William Faulkner

      1. No one here mentioned your name, or alluded to you in any manner until you came on slashing, disrupting, and tilting yet again one more thread on its head.
        And now you want to try to associate such dripping vile techniques as something Faulkner would endorse? You attempt to side with peacemakers just after a series of unprovoked attacks?

        It reminds me of the state of “Israel”…

        I find you again to be utterly hypocritical deep in the center of your very being.
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  11. And you’ll do your damnedest to make sure they never will – right??

    It wasn’t addressed to you, so just ignore it …..please …..pretty please!!

    Cheers

  12. “And you’ll do your damnedest to make sure they never will – right??”
    ~Tamborine

    Perhaps the original comments were not addressed to me personally, but only perhaps – given the rather instant replay of this issue from just a thread ago. However this is an open forum and I am here reading what is presented.
    Whether the commentary was addressed to me or not, the comeback is certainly addressed to me. And this response by Tamborine is unreasonable and built on obviously false assumption.

    My pointing out that his commentary is based on the most ancient of religious stricture can hardly be construed as my opposition to world peace. It wouldn’t even occur to any sane individual that this is my impetus.

    It is simply a fact that such admonishments by those who would speak for “God” have been said time and again for thousands of years – and psychopathic rulers have ignored such “commandments” for those same thousands of years.

    So let us not be simplistic here. There are many who take the words of this very same “God” as an excuse for war, murder, rape, and slavery.
    “God gave this land to me!” is the cry of the Zionists who have just butchered some two thousand people, made tens of thousands homeless, and utterly destroyed the infrastructure of the Gaza strip.

    The western continent of the America’s was conquered by pathological maniacs in the name of this “God” and his “Word”. Most of the genocidal crimes of history have taken place on these auspices.

    I obviously deplore this situation with all my heart and soul. Any who would interpret anything I have had to say otherwise is obviously mistaken or driven by some covert agenda.

    Ignoti nulla curatio morbi!

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  13. Crimes against Humanity. Israel’s “Own Words”: “We Must Expel Arabs…We Struck Civilians Because They Deserved It”
    By Steve Chovanec – Global Research, August 05, 2014

    “We must expel Arabs and take their place.”– David Ben-Gurion, October 5 1937, Journal of Palestine Studies, Vol. 41, No. 2 (Winter 2012), University of California Press, pp. 245-250.*

    1980’s

    For 30 years, from the War of Independence until today [1981], we [Israel] have been fighting against a population that lives in villages and cities.(1) In South Lebanon we struck the civilian population consciously, because they deserved it… the Israeli Army has always struck civilian populations, purposely and consciously … the Army… has never distinguished civilian [from military] targets … [but] purposely attacked civilian targets when Israeli settlements had not been struck.(2)

    There were retaliatory actions against civilian Arab populations; the air force operated against them; the damage was directed against such structures as the canal, bridges and transport.(3) The picture that emerges is of an Israel wantonly inflicting every possible measure of death and anguish on civilian populations in a mood reminiscent of regimes which neither Mr. (Prime Minister) Begin nor I would dare to mention by name.(4) There was a rational prospect, ultimately fulfilled, that afflicted populations [i.e., innocent civilians deliberately bombed] would exert pressure for the cessation of hostilities.(5)

    We don’t have a solution, and you [Palestinians] will continue living like dogs, and whoever wants to go will go, and will see how this procedure will work out.(23)

    2000’s

    [After Israel won the Six Day War in June 1967] We enthusiastically chose to become a colonial society, ignoring international treaties, expropriating lands, transferring settlers from Israel to the occupied territories, engaging in theft and finding justification for all these activities. Passionately desiring to keep the occupied territories, we developed two judicial systems: one ‑ progressive, liberal ‑ in Israel; and the other ‑ cruel, injurious ‑ in the occupied territories. In effect, we established an apartheid regime in the occupied territories immediately following their capture.

    That oppressive regime exists to this day [2002.](6)

    2010’s

    We must blow Gaza back to the Middle Ages destroying all the infrastructure including roads & water.(17)

    Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people…

    They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise,more little snakes will be raised there.(18)
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    Read more at:
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/crimes-against-humanity-israels-own-words-we-must-expel-arabs-we-struck-civilians-they-deserved-it/5394936

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    1. In the film Last of the Mohicans the main Huron bad guy Magua says to the British commander as he cuts his heart out that he will go on to erase his seed from the earth. So it would seem Israel got its queue from the bloodthirsty war leader Magua of the Huron.

  14. Victims of war: How Gaza conflict will traumatize a generation of adolescents
    Date: August 6, 2014
    Source: University of Leicester
    Summary:
    A new study has examined adolescent victims of conflict in the Gaza strip and has found that exposure to war-torn environments has a lasting and damaging effect on the psychology of young people. The study investigated types of traumatic events experienced by Palestinian adolescents exposed to war in Gaza in relation to post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), anxiety and coping strategies and has found that a substantial number of adolescents in these situations develop a range of long-lasting emotional and behavior problems.

    The paper, entitled ‘Trauma, PTSD, Anxiety and Coping Strategies among Palestinians Adolescents Exposed to War in Gaza’ has been published in the Arab Journal of Psychiatry and was co-authored by Professor Panos Vostanis from the University of Leicester’s Greenwood Institute of Child Health, Professor Abdelaziz Thabet from Al-Quds University and Omar EL-Buhaisi from the University of Leicester.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/08/140806094834.htm

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  15. My GOD!!! I have practically 50% of the commentary on the thread!!

    What criminality to be so engaged.
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    1. Here let me up my total comments in order to tip the balance of power in my favor! Clearly if I post more than HR1 I become the most powerful right? I am the new leader!

  16. I realize more and more each day how much the Israeli conquest resembles the conquest of America or the conquest of (take your pick) by (take your pick). It is all the same in the end, the Israeli’s are more powerful militarily than the Palestinians so they are taking their land and killing them if they resist. The rest is just macabre theater put on by the conquerors to try and make it appear as though they are justified somehow. They are NOT justified! They are genocidal maniacs who are without remorse stealing the land of and killing a comparatively defenseless people. They are no different than any genocidal maniacs of the past including Hitler.

    I do want to point out that my comments are directed at the Israeli government and its supporters not the Jewish people as individuals. I hope that is clear. To a degree the Jewish people opposed to their governments actions are still responsible for what is happening just like I am to a degree responsible for the American governments crimes against humanity which I oppose. Responsible because we have not done enough to stop our insane leaders from doing these terrible things. Saying you are against what they are doing is not enough we have to remove them from the government and prevent this from happening. So long as we do something toward that goal we reduce our responsibility accordingly. I hope more Jewish people start to stand up and take action to remove from power these genocidal maniacs occupying their government. I will do my part to do that here in America.

  17. In response to Adam Syed’s comments from higher up the thread.

    The Holocaust narrative was one I was taken in by hook, line, and sinker for a long long time. After looking at David Cole’s work and a few others I have come to realize how exaggerated and distorted that narrative actually is. The reality is that the Germans and Hitler were terrible and evil and what they did was despicable just from the standpoint of their brutal conquest. The narrative about the death camps however is in my opinion 90% propaganda. In reality there were atrocities and abuses yes but for the most part they were work camps and the vast majority of the deaths were the result of disease or hunger. Hunger ironically caused mostly by allied bombing and destruction of German infrastructure.

    This interview with Ernst Zundel was very eye opening for me as well not just because of what Zundel says but because of the way he has been treated for saying it. The way he has been treated and attacked over the many years speaks volumes about how dangerous he is to the Holocaust narrative or “official story” if you will.

    1. So why is it a crime to dispute the holocaust narrative in Germany and apparently in Canada too although it is an unwritten law in Canada? Think about that for a moment Germany is threatening you with violence (arrest and imprisonment) if you express an opinion in opposition to their narrative. Now that is censorship! I imagine if 911blogger could they would make it illegal to talk about the pentagon fly over evidence too.

      1. Mr. Adam Ruff writes:

        [W]hy is it a crime to dispute the holocaust narrative in Germany…? Think about that for a moment Germany is threatening you with violence (arrest and imprisonment) if you express an opinion in opposition to their narrative.

        The victors imposed this as such into the re-written German constitution as well as the German public’s “Geist”. They shamed the people with the hyped, exaggerated, and even falsified elements of the holocaust propaganda. They’ve had their noses rubbed in for several generations now, so that they won’t forget. Hollywood makes it so they won’t forget… the story that the victors want told.

        And when inconsistencies in the holocaust narrative are pointed out, this gets labeled “holocaust denying” instead of what it is: “questioning holocaust exaggerations.”

        The Germans were so fundamentally broken down in spirit, power, and infrastructure (with occupying armies right up until the Berlin Wall came down in 1989), fixing the exaggerations to the atrocities was out of scope particularly in light of the many bad things ~all~ observed at one point or another in that era. Kind of like, “in for a penny, in for a pound.”

        Guilty of X, for sure. Guilty of X+Y? If you, the victor, say so. Punishment and mental torment for X is already all consuming. Sure, add some real or fiction Y to it. Doesn’t change anything to the level of our shame.

        With 20/20 hindsight [helped by the JFK, RFK, MLK, Gulf of Tonkin, 9/11], we can see who benefits by tacking on fiction Y to the crimes and why those in power wouldn’t want it questioned. Exposed as fiction undermines the case for the state of Israel after WWII.

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        1. Yes, as I understand it the “hate crime” laws cited, were the excuse Canada used to allow Zundel to be extradited to Germany for his trials there.

          I followed all of this quite closely for awhile. Zundel’s defense lawyer was actually charged with “hate crimes” and “Holocaust denial” for defending him.
          Some of the most Kafkaesque “legal” proceedings since Nuremberg, and the Soviet show trials under Beria.

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        2. Oh I agree that is the excuse they are using in Canada to go after Zundel but the only problem is speech itself is not a crime no matter how controversial it may be.

          Throwing rocks at someone = crime.
          Calling them hypocrites and liars = no crime.
          Bombing someones house or attempting to burn it down = crime.
          Questioning someone or some groups version of events = no crime.
          Trying to assassinate someone = crime.
          Trying to prove Israel is founded on a mountain of lies = no crime.
          Maliciously slandering someone and trying to bleed them dry through frivolous lawsuits = crime.
          Selling or distributing books or pamphlets with your controversial ideas in them = no crime.

          So who is the criminal here, Zundel or the Canadian and German governments?

    2. It is a crime of consciousness to make such dogmatic constrictions on personal opinion prosecutable crimes.

      The Zionist lobby has been attempting to get the Amerikan “government” to pass such legislation as to criminalize such free speech. Even though they have been unsuccessful thus far is no cause for celebration. Especially now, when “Antisemiticism is on the rise” because of the warmonger madness of Israel in Gaza in this years annual destruction cycle.

      If they can’t win the PR war, they can always push for restrictive laws to heal their broken agenda.
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      1. They will find me to be a rabid defender of free speech if they somehow succeed in getting such laws on the books here in America. The more the system tries to control us and steer us in the direction they want the more people like me resist and rebel. I honestly hope they try to pass such laws here and I hope they crack down very hard with flagrant police state tactics. I hope they do it because by doing it they create the rebellion that desperately needs to happen. As princess Lea said in Star Wars “the more you tighten your grip the more systems will slip through your fingers”. I say bring on martial law now today! Put storm troopers in the streets and have them smash skulls with billy clubs! Arrest activists now and throw them into camps or hell just have summary executions in the streets. Nothing will speed up the demise of the NWO more than that. Bring it on!

        1. It seems as if the Final Battle approaches quickly Mr Ruff.

          I am certainly not anxious, it will likely begin with an economic collapse leading to desperation, leaving most of Amerika in the situation that Gaza has been in for so many years.

          I think the film TERMINATOR might be a metaphor to what is coming.
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          1. Perhaps so. Maybe it will be a “Terminator” type scenario or my version of that being more like “The Road Warrior”. It may just turn out like the Bundy ranch standoff though where Americans and people of all nations rise up in incredible numbers and say NO MORE! Maybe just maybe we will get together and bounce these sociopaths out of all leadership positions altogether. Perhaps the worst of them will be put on trial and hanged for crimes against humanity. I have a few I would nominate for that starting with Netanyahu and Obama and then moving on to the Bush family, Darth Cheney, Donald Scumsfeld, Condasleezy Rice, the Clintons, and how about also in the first batch of trials we throw in Brzezinski, Kissinger, and a selection of Rockefellers?

  18. “And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
    Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?”
    ~Yeats – The Second Coming

    Yeats’ “spirit mundi” obviously had a vision of the future concerning “Israel”, for at the time of the writing of this poem, Bethlehem was in Palestine, which now is under the iron rule of the “rough” Zionist Beast.

    Zionism and Psychopathy are simply distinguished by the brand name of Zion. For Zionism is classic essential psychopathy full bloom. It is not only Israel now that manifests this brand of psychopathy but it’s patron, Zionist Amerika, and the shared agenda for a Zionist World Order. And this is the very agenda laid out in the Protocols of Zion in their various stages throughout history. From the brand of Illuminati, to Amerikan Exceptionalsim, to full blown Zionist Amerika, this Ponerist path has been documented by deep history.
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  19. CRISES OF CONSCIOUSNESS

    Some may recall the question I would ask quite often when I first began posting on T&S, that is:

    ‘What does it mean to be well adjusted in a pathological society?’

    The answer is of course: It means one has become pathological oneself. It means one hasn’t escaped from the patterning and conditioning of the group mind created by the psychopathic PR of the current post industrial society.

    Some of us have struggled beyond this programming and thrown off the greater portion of our addiction to the “norms” of this culture, have come awake, as it were. But there are times, such as these right now, which may be termed ‘a quickening’ when a crisis arises and those who are close to us, who never made it over to the awoken side begin a concerted appeal to us to return to ‘normal’ – to go along with them as the crowd to get along – and these pressures to conform can be great, sometimes overwhelming like ones nerves are totally frayed.

    This type of crisis of enlightenment is presented in the film The Matrix when the character Cypher, one of those Morpheus has rescued/recruited makes a deal with “the agents” to go back. But it is a false promise, to be able to “go back”, one can never really go back once the Red Pill is taken and certain knowledge sinks in. The attempt to ‘go back’, to rejoin the herd will only cause more confusion and imbalance in ones life and emotions. And the fickle psychos of Disneyworld will never really accept you back.
    The only choice is to retain your convictions and refuse to be seduced by the appeals of the somnolence herd, regardless of how good of friends they once were or seemed to be.
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  20. GAZA CITY, Palestinian Territories, Aug 07, 2014 (AFP)

    “- A three-day ceasefire in Gaza that has brought relief to millions entered its final stretch on Thursday with Israel ready to extend the calm but Hamas hedging its bets.

    And US President Barack Obama put pressure on intensive ceasefire negotiations in Cairo by saying Gaza could not remain cut off from the world forever.

    Britain, France and Germany have put forward an initiative that could bring EU representatives to the Gaza border, a diplomatic source said.

    Four weeks of bloodshed between Israel and Hamas killed 1,886 Palestinians and 67 on the Israeli side. Figures released by UNICEF, the UN children’s fund, indicate that 73 percent of the victims – or 1,354 people – were civilians.

    Of that number, at least 429 were children – around 30 percent of the civilian casualties.

    With the ceasefire due to end at 0500 GMT on Friday, Egypt’s intelligence chief Mohamed Farid Tohamy was holding a new round of talks with the parties on Thursday afternoon, with the focus on extending the deadline.
    – See more at: http://www.ntd.tv/en/news/world/middle-east-/-africa/20140807/186007-gaza-truce-deadline-looms-as-obama-questions-blockade.html#sthash.S6wHFBwJ.dpuf

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  21. Alright then, I need no explanations, nor apologies, nor do I offer any.

    But I do know this, as far as all this flame-war bullshit that goes on like a carousel on the threads of T&S, I assert that I am no more aggressive or pugnacious than anyone else commenting there. I am indeed more frank and upfront with my critiques, meaning more honest and less ‘covert aggressive’ [often misframed as “passive aggressive”].

    Those who get the vapors over “language” are generally “shocked” theatrically, and react theatrically as well – it becomes bullshit burlesque dealing with such clowns, and their pretense to “civility”, which is based primarily in sophistry and candy coated rhetoric, and hiding behind happy faces.

    Some of these people are simply not very smart. Some obviously pros that have a job to do. Some are thin skinned and need assertiveness training to differentiate between aggression and assertion.

    I do not claim to be perfect, nor an angel. But I can detect disingenuous bullshit when I come across it. And it is the disingenuous bullshitters who have become my main detractors on T&S.

    So onward we go as it is I suppose. Let us all try to be more honest here with one another, aye?

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    1. I will say it plainly that SEO is intentionally disrupting threads and is extremely hostile but in a passive aggressive way to hide behind a very thin facade of civility. You on the other hand HR1 are very up front with your thoughts and arguments and in my opinion much more honorable for doing so. I much prefer to be told to my face that I am wrong than to have an obsessive compulsive stalker skulking around waiting to stab me in the back and hide it behind a thin facade of false civility. Your posts are usually on topic and on target while his/her/its posts are little more than lip service to the topic and a manifesto length passive aggressive tirade against you or sometimes me.

  22. First of all we should note that Tamborine’s commentary at P4T is placed there in this category:

    Pilots For 9/11 Truth Forum > Study > Religion

    “I was trying to show that ‘Life’ continues after ‘death’, but no one was particularly interested.”~Tamborine man
    ______________________________________________
    This comment would seem to belie the claims of vast acceptance and embrace of Tamborines efforts that he boasts to here.

    Those wishing to look into the source of Tamborine’s inspiration can find it here:
    Toward the Light (in Danish, Vandrer mod Lyset!) was first published in Copenhagen, Denmark in 1920 by the Danish author Michael Agerskov.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toward_the_Light
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
    My only commentary is that it seems that everyone but Tamborine recognize that the issues he raises are religious and theological. These issues have been debated and wars fought between ‘true believers’ of various sides century after century.
    I would add that the source is a letter written to the Danish churches in the 1920s – which should be another clue to the lucid mind that this issue has to do with religion.

    It is not my purpose to dispel Tamborine’s beliefs, nor to dispute the issues of atonement. I simply wish to get across that most people would consider his message evangelical and religious, and he should accept this and take the advice to cease and desist his evangelism as requested.
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    1. hybridrogue finished one of his posts from yesterday with the following:
      “…..So onward we go as it is I suppose. Let us all try to be more honest here with one another, aye?”

      Nine hours later he submitted his post above, wherein he again gave ample proof of how dishonest and duplicitous he is and can be!

      He quotes a ‘one-liner’ of mine followed by a snide comment as shown here:

      Had he quoted the text in full (from where he grabbed the ‘one-liner’), and had he been honest enough to let the reader know that the visitor count to the thread in question has now risen from the 92000 count from before to now nearly 93000, then he wouldn’t have been able to write his immature comment above of course, as it would have been contradicted by the actual facts.

      Here’s the text he quoted from:
      “Anyone remember this thread from july 2007, where I quoted the following?
      I was trying to show that ‘Life’ continues after ‘death’, but no one was particularly interested.
      Sanders thought it had something to do with religion, and painter thought I was a troll.
      No question was forthcoming, so the thread died out quietly and quickly.
      Much exciting developments has taken place since then, so that’s why i’m here again.
      If just one person out of a hundred responds favourably to the text below, or if just a half
      person out of 50 responds, then what follows should turn out to be rather interesting!
      Read this text very carefully.
      Then listen carefully to the faint inner voice of your conscience……. about whether it appeals to you –
      or not:”

      He then refers to a ‘letter’ thus:
      “I would add that the source is a letter written to the Danish churches in the 1920s – which should be another clue to the lucid mind that this issue has to do with religion.”

      This letter had nothing to do with any “source”! If hybridrogue had any honesty in his bones, he would have mentioned that this particular letter was sent to several hundred Danish prelates, and was met with deadly silence by all but one single bishop ….who responded with some sarcastic remarks.
      Had hybridrogue been an honest person, he would have understood that since this letter was rejected by the whole Danish church, it could not possibly have contained anything to do with the “religious”, the “theological” or the “evangelical”, but must have been something completely contrary – something they would have nothing to do with …….f. ex. honesty!!

      Hope this post once and for all will stop hybridrogue’s insipid insistence that any of this has to do with bloody “religion” – and that he instead try so much harder to live up to his own ‘suggestion’ above!

      Cheers

      1. How i sometimes miss an ‘edit’ button!
        Here is the missing ‘quoted part’ in my post above that somehow disappeared:

        “I was trying to show that ‘Life’ continues after ‘death’, but no one was particularly interested.”~Tamborine man
        ______________________________________________
        This comment would seem to belie the claims of vast acceptance and embrace of Tamborines efforts that he boasts to here.

        Cheers

      2. Your post was a sermon, a religious sermon, there is no doubt about it. I was the one who called you out about it being preaching. It was preaching and it was religious in nature and nothing you said above changes that not even your repeated insistence that it wasn’t religious. You remind me of the cops at Waco who kept saying over the loud speaker that the Davidians should come out and they would not be harmed while Flir video images captured the feds shooting them as they tried to escape the burning building. Give it a rest man it was a sermon, a preachy sermon that had nothing to do with the topic. No matter how many times you claim it was not religious IT WAS.

      3. “Had hybridrogue been an honest person, he would have understood that since this letter was rejected by the whole Danish church, it could not possibly have contained anything to do with the “religious”, the “theological” or the “evangelical”, but must have been something completely contrary –” ~Tamborine

        Martin Luther was rejected by the established church of his time. Do you doubt that Martin Luther was a religious actor Tamborine?

        Do you have any arguments that make any sense at all? In my experiences here with you I have yet to come across anything you have ever said that makes sense – on any subject.

        Your pathetic and pitiful excuses just make it worse for you Tamborine.
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  23. The Israeli Defense Force just got caught red handed manufacturing fake evidence to prop up their Gaza narrative.
    On August 4, 2014 the IDF released what they claimed to be scans of a captured Hamas combat manual which explains the benefits of human shields (Captured Hamas Combat Manual Explains Benefits of Human Shields). This juicy story got quite a few people excited, and within 2 days their blog post had over 81,000 likes on Facebook. It turns out though, that the documents that they uploaded were forgeries, and sloppy forgeries at that. The work was so shoddy that you don’t even have to be an expert to see the mistake.
    http://scgnews.com/idf-hamas-human-shield-manual-a-sloppy-forgery

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  24. “Gaza at war again after militants fire rockets into Israel and the Jewish state responds, killing a ten-year-old Palestinian in Mosque air strike
    At least 10 rockets fired into Israel as negotiators failed to extend ceasefire which expired at 8am today (5am GMT)

    Israel declared truce over and hit ‘terror sites’ in new strikes as minister warned ground troops could invade again
    Wave of attacks from land, air and sea hit Nour al-Mohammadi Mosque in Gaza City, killing boy and wounding five
    Palestinian factions negotiated until 4am but would not extend truce unless Israel ended its blockade on Gaza.”
    ______________________________________________________
    The terror state of Israel must end the blockade of Gaza, it must be demanded and that demand much reach fever pitch from all people of conscience – Israel should be dissolved and transported to Antarctica to cool off.

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    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2719623/Israel-Hamas-three-day-truce-ends-Gaza-militants-firing-barrage-rockets-claims-Israeli-military.html#ixzz39oOOmL7q

  25. Craig said:
    “Another friend who was standing up for Gaza on Facebook was told by someone that she and I both know to “shut the fuck up” about things she knows nothing about. Another wanted to know why critics of Israel don’t care about the higher numbers of people being killed in Syria, Iraq, and other countries – as if the issue is simply a mathematical one. The implication seems to be that if you are yelling about Gaza and not about Syria then you must have some type of anti-Jewish bias.”

    Considering the constant reminders of the holocaust we’re subjected to, is it really a big surprise when people take notice of how the Jewish state treats the Palestinians? The smell of hypocrisy is hard to ignore.

  26. Where are Tamborine man and Senor El Once’s posts dealing with the topic? Have they nothing to say about the topic? They seem to have a lot to say about other members of this blog and about unrelated issues such as religion but very little to say about the article itself or about Gaza. Kind of odd don’t you think?

    1. Adam, if we hear from SEO again it will most likely be a bean count (grin), and he can say that it is topical because it is directed at the participants here; whether that makes any rational sense or not.
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      1. I have been upping my post count lately because I am trying to supplant you HR1. Everyone knows that it is the quantity of the posts that matters not the quality! If I had to beat the quality of your posts I would not stand much of a chance to supplant you but since all I have to do is beat you on quantity I am going to give it a real try. When I pass you do I get a prize or something?

  27. Here are some photos of a protest for the Palestinians that took place on the Hollywood walk of fame. The photo’s were taken by my friend Mike Chickey who has been photographing protests of all kinds for more than 10 years. This protest has a real emotional impact.

    Four babies one for every week of Israel last bombing attacks.
    One candle for every child slaughtered in GAZA.
    One candle for every little human soul who will never be able to smile, play and enjoy life with us.

    LOVE REVOLUTION pro-Palestinian cause Artivism Performance on Hollywood Blvd. Performance-Artivism: Love Revolution Solidarity campaign to raise awareness about the Palestinian-Gaza issue, Our mission is to awaken a force in those who view our ARTivism images…To raise awareness, ignite ideas and incite people to action.
    BREAK THE SILENCE, RAISE YOUR VOICE AND TAKE SOME ACTION. WE ARE PALESTINE, WE ARE ONE.

  28. August 9, 1945 the second Japanese city went up in atomic flames.
    Remember Nagasaki.
    Never forget this unacknowledged war crime by the pathological state of Amerika.
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  29. Thanks for the article Craig and for others’ comments.

    What can we say about the carnage inflicted against the Palestinians in the Gaza strip other than the most obvious point: It is an indefensible act from a government and a large portion of its people entirely devoid of anything approaching basic morality on this issue. It belies a severe pathological infection of the highest degree which has its roots in both the ethnocentric and supremacist ideology within aspects of Judaism and the psychopathy of revisionist Zionism and the Chabad Lubavitch movement. These toxic manifestations of fear have thoroughly infiltrated the social and political powerbrokers within the US and many European countries. As a result, Israel is in danger of falling into its own entropic footprint and setting the stage to bring much of the world with it.

    Although Hasbara Israeli propaganda and other freelancers are out in force all over the net trying to justify the unjustifiable there are also Israelis and IDF soldiers who are questioning what it is in their culture that could have turned them into the very monster they most wanted to avoid. To those with conscience in Israeli society and who haven’t fallen for the sop of blaming Hamas, there is some very deep, soul searching in order as never before.

    What plays on mind most of all is the children who lost their lives and in a most despicable and premeditated way possible. My prayers are with the families and parents who lost their precious sons and daughters to this very real evil. Meantime, in case folks haven’t see it yet, there is a website project set up in memory of all those children who were murdered and ways to support the remembrance if you so wish.

    http://gazaschildren.com/

    1. Oh my God that website instantly brought me to tears. Though it was extremely difficult for me to look at I am grateful you posted it M.K. I suggest everyone go to it and look at it because it really brings the whole disgusting charade into sharp focus. Israel is simply monstrous in its actions, indefensible!

      1. Whether justified or not in retaliating against what Israel perceives as attacks on its own citizens, there is absolutely no moral equivalence between 1,500 dead civilians, 30% of who are believed to be children, in 4 weeks, and 28 dead Israelis from wildly inaccurate and very ineffective rocket attacks over a thirteen-year period. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel]. None.

        Those who claim Israel acted appropriately by attacking civilians in Gaza, are practicing the same moral relativism that allowed Americans to say, 10 years ago, “Americans do not torture … well … except when …”

        True moral principles are not applied selectively; only when it’s convenient; only when it meets the approval of the public; they are individual, non-negotiable, and immutable. They are not influenced by propaganda or politics.

        And they are not determined by the State or by the Church or by the Republican Party or the U.S. Army or Marine Corps or the Boy Scouts of America.

        Friends, when you let someone else – or worse, an institution – decide morality for you; you are acting immorally. All morality – my morality; yours – is individual; it isn’t determined by any institution.

        We do not excuse our own actions by pointing to the actions of others. Others are not responsible for how we behave; we can never blame our own behavior on others; that is a basic principle of honor, and a long-standing principle of manhood.

  30. M.K. Styllinski,

    As usual your commentary is prescient and directly to the point.
    Many thanks for that and the human compassion you show so simply.
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  31. Americans who love old time cowboy movies have been thoroughly brain-washed by Hollywood movies, especially the Westerns that show John Wayne types valiantly coming to the rescue of the poor widow women and her kids from the ‘Injun’ throat slitters.
    That’s why that age group identifies with Israel as John Wayne and Palestinians as the throat-slitting Injuns cheer on the Israeli genocide, but that is focus group that is getting older and smaller by the day.

    1. There is certainly a sympathetic relationship between the memes;

      “The only good Injun is a dead Injun”
      And
      “The only good Palestinian is a dead Palestinian”

      Just different forms of Exceptionalism being expressed.
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  32. I submitted four posts that exclusively dealt with the concepts of ‘Justice’ and ‘injustice’, and which also clearly indicated where the source to ‘Justice’ originates from.
    This was met with a bucket load of shit, vomit, bile, rancour and vitriol.

    I shall just quote here two examples of the many that so bitterly were rejected, and would like to ask Charles Aulds, Greg Bacon and M.K. Styllinski if they too could have reacted in the same way to the following; addressed to all law makers on Earth:

    “…….
    Prepare your laws as though you yourselves should be judged by each and every statute, for then will your laws be just. ….

    ….Yea, truly, I say unto you: your obligations are many, and your responsibility is great; I ask you therefore carefully to consider that which I have said unto you. For you shall know that if out of selfishness or faintness of heart you give not care unto the poor, unto the suffering and to the unfortunate, then shall you surely taste the want and misery of the homeless and the poor in your coming lives upon the Earth until you have learned to take pity on your unfortunate fellow human beings.
    …….”

    As a result of these foul vapours coming my way, i claimed to have proven that ALL human beings survive ‘death’, and that ‘reincarnation’ is therefore an absolute reality impossible to be refuted.
    This is f. ex. been borne out by the fact that the human being consist of 3 aspects, namely the Physical, the Astral and the Spiritual.
    Naturally, is it only the physical aspect which is the subject to decomposition and thus ‘death’ by whatever means.

    Neither the Astral nor the Spiritual aspects are subjugated to this process.
    In short, your Thought and your Will, your free Will, your gathered memories, your gathered skills, abilities and talents, as well as your developing individuality and personality, neither of all of this consist of particles big enough to become obliterated by the power called ‘Darkness’, but instead completely escapes its destructive influence.
    These spiritual aspects above that makes up the true parts of your whole being, consists of finer and finer particles which functions with much higher vibrations and wavelengths than the corporeal; and for this very fact is therefore not subjected to ‘decay’ or other means of destruction like fire or explosions, as these particles have no “space-filling” properties in the physical world.
    So thus, the physical body is nothing more than just a “vehicle” for your Spiritual self.

    You could test your own “consciousness”, by trying to answer this simple question:
    How can “memories”, in themselves, be subjected to ‘decay’?

    Accepting that no human being actually ‘dies’, would obviously put a totally new spin on the “madness” and the “insanity” of any kind of warfare, and that’s probably why this notion is so forcefully rejected by a couple of people in this thread!
    We should bear in mind that both these persons advocate “forceful” resistance to the ‘evils’ of this world, where, of course, even more innocent women and children will again meet their ‘death’. Note please, that this would be ‘their’ understanding of the word “compassion”, but definitely not mine!

    Cheers

    1. I certainly invite ALL readers of this threat (those few who remain) to judge me by my own words, and I invite comparisons of my own posts with this one, which was obviously emotional and not, therefore, based on untainted reason.

      1. Charles Aulds,
        it seems that you have totally misunderstood the reasons for my post.
        You wrote earlier:

        “We do not excuse our own actions by pointing to the actions of others. Others are not responsible for how we behave; we can never blame our own behavior on others; that is a basic principle of honor, and a long-standing principle of manhood.”

        I thought the above to be a wonderful piece of writing, and why i so enthusiastically endorse it. And that is why i included your name together with Greg Bacon and M.K. Styllinski, whose posts i also found to be very lucid and well written.

        And that’s why i thought it would probably have been impossible for you 3 people to respond in the same way as hybridrogue and ruffadam normally do their ‘stuff’!

        Sorry i didn’t spell this out more clearly.

        Cheers

    2. I would appreciate it if you would not attempt to put words in my mouth by suggesting that I advocate “forceful” resistance to the evils of the world. I do not advocate such and never have, I advocate self defense and I advocate non violent non cooperation with “evil” period. Please mention me by name next time when you are talking about me, it makes it so much clearer for the readers.

      I also wonder why it is Tamborine man that you are completely unable to speak to the topic of this thread? All you seem to be able to post about are your concepts of spirituality which would be better suited to a religious discussion forum. You are preaching here and it is unwelcome because it distracts from the discussion of the topic. I personally find what you say to be mostly incoherent ramblings and I would not turn to you as any sort of authority on spiritual matters.

      If we wanted to discuss life after death, reincarnation, the soul living on forever, and other religious topics we would go to a forum for those topics and discuss it there.

      If David Icke came onto this forum I am sure he would be capable of speaking to the topic and would do it in a very coherent way while still getting his decidedly spiritual perspective across quite well. That would be welcomed, I am sure, by all here and we would all probably learn something from him. You on the other hand are NOT discussing the topic AT ALL. You are simply launching into incoherent sermons about your views of cosmic Karma and eternal life which I for one am not interested in. For spiritual lessons I turn to teachers worthy of my time and attention. I go to them, they do not come to me.

      Why don’t you start a blog about these spiritual topics if you want to discuss them so much? This blog is meant for discussing in this case Craig McKee’s article entitled: (Dismantle Gaza and relocate ‘non-belligerent Arabs’: Israel Institute for Strategic Studies.)

      Why is it you can’t discuss that topic Tamborine man? Why are you having so much difficulty talking about that?

      1. Mr. Ruff wrote to Mr. TM on 2014-08-11 at 7:43 am:

        I would appreciate it if you would not attempt to put words in my mouth by suggesting that I advocate “forceful” resistance to the evils of the world. I do not advocate such and never have, I advocate self defense and I advocate non violent non cooperation with “evil” period.

        Hmmm. Yet within this very thread on 2014-08-06 at 10:34 pm, the very same Mr. Ruff wrote:

        … I honestly hope they try to pass such laws here and I hope they crack down very hard with flagrant police state tactics. I hope they do it because by doing it they create the rebellion that desperately needs to happen… I say bring on martial law now today! Put storm troopers in the streets and have them smash skulls with billy clubs! Arrest activists now and throw them into camps or hell just have summary executions in the streets… Bring it on!

        So the record shows that Mr. Ruff does not “advocate ‘forceful’ resistance to the evils of the world.” Instead, he seems to be advocating for liberty-limiting laws, “flagrant police state tactics”, “martial law now today,” and “storm troopers in the streets smashing skills with billy clubs.” Which team is Mr. Ruff playing for?

        Mr. Ruff seems to be cheering the arrival of NWO, because he seems to think that once its deprivations are upon us, then will rise up the resistance to overthrow it. [Or the NWO will be implemented.]

        Mr. Ruff seems to think that having the storm trooper’s boots upon our throats will only then inspire us to speak up and resist.

        Indeed. This is quite different than resistance. It is playing into the hands of NWO. Bad strategy.

        And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like… if, during periods of mass arrests, … people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?
        ~Alexander Solzhenitsyn

        Mr. Ruff’s efforts to supplant Mr. Rogue as the most prolific contributor is still 9 comments shy of matching Mr. Rogue and fulfilling his 2014-08-07 at 4:09 pm boasts of upping his “total comments to tip the balance of power in [his] favor.” The two of them nonetheless command 69% of the discussion.

        Rather ironic then that Mr. Ruff would accuse me with my pitiful five comments: “SEO is intentionally disrupting threads.” Thread to thread, I simply don’t have the numbers… Or Mr. Ruff’s drive (2014-08-09 at 1:57 am):

        I have been upping my post count lately because I am trying to supplant you HR1. Everyone knows that it is the quantity of the posts that matters not the quality!

        Gives new meaning to Mr. Ruff’s comment from 2014-08-09 at 1:59 am:

        By way of deception we make war.

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        1. SEO you are an obsessive compulsive stalker and your post has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOPIC!

          Furthermore your pseudo analysis skills have once again failed you in your attempts to discredit me with my own words. I find it comical almost that you do not seem to understand simple points. For example when I said “bring on the NWO” you do not seem to grasp the point I was making that the worse they get the faster the resistance grows as a natural consequence. In other words they are naturally creating their own demise. That point in no way advocates violence but you just do not “get it” apparently. I think your misunderstanding stems from your obsessive compulsion to attack HR1 and myself. As to my point about upping my post count let me explain that was sarcasm aimed at you that you obviously missed. Your constant OCD driven counting of HR1 posts was getting so old and tired that I thought I would sarcastically highlight how stupid it was.

          Now I have opened the door for even more of your off topic ranting and raving for which I apologize to the forum in advance. I just think it is shameful that you absolutely refuse to discuss the topic at hand and instead focus all of your obsessive attention on attacking HR1 and myself. You are a stalker in every bad and scary sense of the term. TALK ABOUT THE TOPIC for a change why don’t you?

          1. Yup Mr Ruff,

            The Beancounters act has been a bore for a long time – It is getting so old, it’s like watching reruns of stupid old soap operas, soap commercials and all.
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          2. ruffadam wrote:

            “I would appreciate it if you would not attempt to put words in my mouth by suggesting that I advocate “forceful” resistance to the evils of the world. I do not advocate such and never have, I advocate self defense and I advocate non violent non cooperation with “evil” period.”

            Neither I or SEO “attempt to put words in your mouth”, but are simply (as it’s also done here) giving a reminder of what you’re doing, namely rather obviously discrediting yourself with no help from anybody.

            Here’s what ruffadam wrote earlier:
            “Perhaps so. Maybe it will be a “Terminator” type scenario or my version of that being more like “The Road Warrior”. It may just turn out like the Bundy ranch standoff though where Americans and people of all nations rise up in incredible numbers and say NO MORE! Maybe just maybe we will get together and bounce these sociopaths out of all leadership positions altogether. Perhaps the worst of them will be put on trial and hanged for crimes against humanity. I have a few I would nominate for that starting with Netanyahu and Obama and then moving on to the Bush family, Darth Cheney, Donald Scumsfeld, Condasleezy Rice, the Clintons, and how about also in the first batch of trials we throw in Brzezinski, Kissinger, and a selection of Rockefellers?”

            You want to meet ‘evil’ with ‘evil’, and you think this is “good”. No, this is not “good”. This is just more ‘insanity’ piled upon prevailing ‘insanity’, and will lead to nothing but perpetual bloodshed.

            ruffadam, you give daily proof that you got no understanding of what is ‘good or bad’, ‘right or wrong’, ‘just or unjust’, and that’s why you with such ‘zeal’ have been fighting tooth and nail to prevent these concepts to be discussed in this thread.
            You didn’t want your deep ignorance of these matters to be exposed, hence your rather sad but amusing wallowing about bloody ‘religion’, which, if you continue in this vein, could very well turn into the “hilarious”.

            Will just remind you in passing of Greg Bacons post above, about the “Hollywood ‘base’ brainwashing”!
            Either you embrace it, or you totally reject it. you have been endowed with a totally Free Will, so –

            Suit yourself!

            Cheers

            1. Even the quotes of mine, which you took totally out of context by the way, do NOT advocate violence in any way shape or form. I was simply theorizing about how the coming police state and resulting revolution might play itself out. You seem to be strangely unable to understand context or inference in my and HR1’s comments. In any case it does not matter to me one bit if you think I contradict myself or not I am confident that most readers understand my meaning.

              I really am tired of you continually going off topic Tamborine Man, it is disrespectful to Craig and to us all. I sense in you the same obsessive compulsion to keep doing this though that I find in SEO. I have resigned myself to the fact that neither you or SEO are going to stop actively trying to disrupt threads. I have also resigned myself to the fact that you are both OCD to the point that you will literally NEVER stop doing it. So by all means spam the shit out of this forum with more of your off topic garbage and I will decide for myself if I want to tolerate it or not. Right now the ONLY reason I tolerate it is because I enjoy reading Craig’s excellent articles and some of the superb commentary about them.

            2. May Tamborine man soon rest in peace, and leave us in peace.
              Regardless and either way, be gone damned spot, BE GONE!
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    3. It comes to me as no surprise that Tamborine cannot distinguish between his ranting religious sermons and the calm and rational expression of personal convictions offered by Charles Aulds.

      Now to Tamborine’s characterization of the criticisms he received, he says:

      –“This was met with a bucket load of shit, vomit, bile, rancour and vitriol.”

      This is hysterical nonsense. Several of us pointed out that this blog is not the Church of Truth and Shadows, nor the Tabernacle of Twinkle-Toed Fairies.

      And now despite Mr McKee telling Tamborine in pointed and specific language not to post religious messages on this blog, here we have a repeat of the exact same thing yet again. This indicates to me, and I am sure to others here, that Tamborine has no respect for Mr McKee, his blog, nor the readership and other commentators here.

      I think that Mr Aulds’ response to Tamborine explains the distinction I speak of here. And if Tamborine is baffled by our acceptance of Mr Aulds’ comments, while we complained about his own; this is hardly surprising; as Tamborine seems to be perpetually in a state of mental, and or emotional confusion. The fact that he disputes that he is talking blatant religion can only be interpreted as a state of delusional denial and deep conceptual error.
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      1. Every single human on Earth is a “Spiritual Being”. hybridrogue and ruffadam (together with so many many others) are deeply ignorant about this incontrovertible fact.

        ALL human beings are endowed with Thought and Will, Individuality and Free Will. It is the Free Will which is the direct source to every human beings developing Individuality. None of these parts can ever be annihilated, eradicated or extinguished. They are immutable and once given, they are everlasting.

        “Religion” is dying. Why hybridrogue is so hellbent on conflating ‘religion’ with indisputable facts, probably only the gods would know. I guess there could be a tendency to ‘madness’ in there, somewhere!
        Who knows!

        hybridrogue uses his Thought and Will mainly for bad, which is so self-evident in most of his posts here on T&S. Ten bulls could not drag ‘honesty’ out of this man, and neither will ‘reason’ itself ever be able to do.
        The man is in a total mess. That’s why i feel for him.

        Mankind is still in its infancy.

        All good people will “naturally” help alleviate the burdens and the sufferings, help lessen the ‘obstacles’ that continuously is trying to prevent humankinds peaceful progress and development. Others will do the opposite.

        Such is ‘Life’!

        Cheers

        1. “Why hybridrogue is so hellbent on conflating ‘religion’ with indisputable facts…” ~Tamboring

          We notice that this jingle jangle asserts that his opinion is fact, while denying the accepted lexicon of the meaning of words in the English language. This despoiling of language is the very Newspeak that Orwell spoke of.

          The “spirit” in the sense that is used by TM is a religious term. He can deny this up and down page after page avoiding discussing the topic, and insulting the intelligence of the readership – but he cannot change the facts by repeating his nonsense endlessly.

          This hapless leering clown insults not only the readership of this forum, but the host who has told him not to preach his evangelistic sermons here. No matter how many times he is reminded of this, he turns around snarling and accuses those of reminding him of being ‘evil’ and ‘dishonest’, and projects his own madness on those who merely wish not to be proselytized.

          He has been reminded time and again that he is not speaking to the topic, even in the most vague sense of the term. I have not counted the infractions, but if I were the moderator of this site, I would have nipped this bullshit in the but the first time he disobeyed my instructions.

          Tamborine is disrupting the tread in much the same manner as Mr Once does; by making spurious charges against other commentors on this thread, charges that cannot be taken lightly nor dismissed without counter comment.
          Thus Tamborine is provoking arguments, arguments that waste the time and flow of this forum. there are those of us that are totally fed up with this. My patience has been exhausted for a long time, and I know that Mr Ruff feels the same way.

          My advice to both Tamborin and Once is, if you don’t like the issues being discussed on T&S then get the fuck out.
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    1. I can think of other facts the Israeli government would prefer you didn’t know that are more salient and more revealing than the 5 mentioned by Anthony Bellchambers in his global research article. Actually I think his commentary was rather weak and focused on peripheral issue rather than the heart of the matter. The heart of the matter has to do with the legitimacy of the foundational claims made by Israel from the very beginning when it was created.

  33. I do agree with you Mr Ruff,

    The heart of the matter is, as you say; the utter illegitimacy of Israel and it’s being founded upon lies promoted by terrorism against the indigenous population.

    Bellchambers’ commentary is simply addressing the issue from the standpoint of ‘current affairs’, and the deep historical perspective should always be kept in mind and reminded of.
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  34. I was just reading about the latest ‘cease fire’ between Israel and Hamas on a CNN website. Tenuous. But the comments section was like reading the raving of lunatics from an asylum. 90 percent of it or more pro-Israeli anal hurlant against the Palestinians, pure insane blithering rage.

    It leaves one limp with disgust to read these maniac’s cold vicious words.
    Their hate runs deep.

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    1. I would not be surprised if a large portion of those pro-Israeli commentators are actually automated BOT programs. Whenever something skews that far away from real public opinion percentages on an issue I begin to suspect tampering via sophisticated programs and BOT sock puppet personalities. I would go so far as to say if you were to ask many of those “people” a direct question that only a real person could answer correctly most of them would either not respond at all or the response would not make sense. If you suspect you are dealing with a BOT try asking questions like this:

      Your point seemed to me to reference the film American Beauty and in particular the scene where Kevin Spacey drives his car off the cliff. Is that what you meant in your comment or were you talking about another scene?

      See only a human could respond to that appropriately whereas a BOT could not. Only a human would respond with an answer like: “No I was not referring to that movie, WTF are you talking about?” or “There is no such scene in American Beauty so I don’t know what you are talking about.”

      A BOT if it answered at all would not make any sense. Basically the way to spot a BOT is to ask it questions of a subjective nature and see how it responds. You could also go for a more direct approach and ask the entity where it is from and if it responds with say “Chicago” say in response “wow what a coincidence me too, have you ever been to O’Malley’s pub on 3rd street right by the river?” and see how quickly you trip them up (O’Malley’s doesn’t exist see.)

      1. Good advice on tagging a BOT Adam. I might have commented there, but it was CNN and I would have had to register and jump through hoops that I just don’t want to deal with for a mainstream zombie site.

        BTW, I just saw your comment to the skeptard on the The Conspiracy of Psychology Theories website…very cool. I’m sure the KillerClown will have something ignorant and snarky to come back with.
        Thanks for joining in there.
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  35. Could everyone please follow the example of the last few comments and keep the discussion on topic. Israel, Gaza and related subjects. And keep in mind that when someone goes off topic and seems to be provoking a thread-derailing argument, they succeed much more readily when everyone jumps in and argues with them. It becomes much more difficult to remove an offending comment when it has spawned a full argument.

    And TM, no more about spriituality. I’ve given you a wide berth so far. It’s enough.

  36. If ruffadam and hybridrogue should decide to keep going on with their crap about “religion”, i solemnly swear – regarding this subject – to put water in my mouth forthwith!

    Cheers

  37. Israeli military restarts Gaza offensive as peace talks stall
    Published time: August 08, 2014 07:55
    Edited time: August 08, 2014 09:26

    Blasts are rocking Gaza, smoke is rising over the city, apparently from an Israeli air strike, Reuters reports. This comes after Israeli authorities ordered military to respond to “at least 18 rockets from Gaza” by attacking “terror sites,” the army said.

    “The renewed rocket attacks by terrorists at Israel are unacceptable, intolerable and shortsighted. Hamas’ bad decision to breach the ceasefire will be pursued by the IDF (Israel Defence Forces), we will continue to strike Hamas, its infrastructure, its operatives and restore security for the State of Israel,” Lieutenant-Colonel Peter Lerner, an Israeli military spokesman said in a statement.

    The first Palestinian fatality – a boy, according to Al-Arabiya – has reportedly lost his life in the Israeli strikes. Six other people have been wounded.

    Among the rockets allegedly fired by Gaza, one was intercepted by the Iron Dome system over the southern Israeli city of Ashkelon. Two more rockets fell in open areas without causing casualties or damage, Haaretz reported.
    http://rt.com/news/178864-israel-gaza-end-ceasefire/

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  38. I suppose we all know that this situation in Gaza is going to end badly. They don’t need a truce without justice. They need an end to the blockade, and end to Israeli settlements and, not only an end to expansion, but a drawing back to the pre-1965 boarders. The most just would be to abolish the criminal terrorist state of Israel and return Palestine to the pre-1946 borders.

    There can be nothing but continued and expanding war in the Middle East as long as this pariah state is in existence. That this is the actual agenda of Amerikan and Israeli machinations should be clear enough to the rest of the world by now.

    Alas, as many sane analysts are pointing out we are perilously near to a WWIII scenario. Ray McGovern has a new piece out on Consortium News that speaks to this in terrifying clarity.
    http://consortiumnews.com/2014/08/13/the-berlin-wall-and-missed-opportunities/#primary

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    1. That is so tragic and sad Adam… heart rending. Hard truths are so hard to face – particularly visual ones like that.
      ____________
      BTW, I suppose you saw the “brilliant” reply from killer guy to your comment:

      conspiracykiller says – August 14, 2014 at 5:17 am:
      “pfffffft”

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        1. I am reading Wegner now, supposedly one of the heavyweights of modern psychology: ‘Précis of The illusion of conscious will’ – (2004)

          Frankly I have rarely read such utter bullshit as this rhetorical jabberwacky. If this is what passes for “critical thinking” in the “science” of ‘psychology’ then I call foul – this is nonsense.
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  39. “Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, so-called
    ‘Caliph,’ the head of ISIL (Islamic
    State in Iraq and the Levant) [aka
    ISIS] is, according to sources reputed
    to originate from Edward Snowden
    and from Iranian intelligence, a Mossad-
    trained operative named Elliot Shimon.

    “Elliot Shimon, aka Al-Baghdadi was
    born of two Jewish parents and is a
    Mossad agent…trained in espionage
    and psychological warfare against
    Arab and Islamic societies.
    http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001GSbayxZfWK8VpardJ2PMnyS-InuA3eZ3VT-Q0XAfqaleCABp7YqL0SjeWApcF7syjHSsWoFU1Me8Zqlye7gAv1K09r2_PNS8Yn50w3qU9x41CPNmGYiRDjYv-sqAma_UjcVw_MnSGleZjEm4PEK8CXRzhIvSpGCY3DG5PrIv8319LDezio2_GN0RtTzIacM5XYQtu8yTnei9DFm_O03T2A==&c=m5HCxkVswInj3iJLk7mVH8DL0iXFiRTSPILpNXWjolCGR7HICt4frw==&ch=3LhJh30cNttLW-7-Pc1oCYK8kZpUg8oKDqAileOr7K8xCRiKwxNfTA==

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  40. Gaza homes ‘uninhabitable’ as tens of thousands come back to rubble
    Aug, 12, 2014
    Tens of thousands of people across Gaza returned to their homes on Monday as a tenuous ceasefire held and hopes rose of an end to the month-long conflict between Israel and Hamas…Local officials and humanitarian workers began to inspect the latest damage the war had caused in the overcrowded enclave, with assessments indicating earlier estimates may have been optimistic.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/11/damage-gaza-homes-israel-hamas-conflict

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  41. I am usually optimistic but I have to say that today, with what is happening in the world, I am not very optimistic. The situation in Gaza is likely to escalate and could easily turn into a WWIII scenario. The same can be said about the Ukrainian conflict. We have an Ebola outbreak happening which potentially could wipe out a huge portion of humanity and as if that were not enough we have civil unrest brewing in the USA due to several recent incidents of police brutality. I look at the way the general population responds or doesn’t respond to all these things and I just feel like we are in serious serious trouble. Humanity may not be capable of responding in a way that leads to peace and prosperity. Today I feel like some of my optimistic comments I made before are extremely naive. Today I am a pessimist.

    1. Yea Adam,

      We are clearly in a fix here…tip-toeing on the edge of the abyss, just hoping a strong wind doesn’t come along and blow us into it…

      I keep hoping this all might be a grand strategy of tension, thinking the elites who want to inherit the Earth aren’t really interested in toasted real estate.
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  42. THE WORD, BELIEVE

    The word “believe” has an ancient etymology, and is derived from the Sanskrit.
    It is a portmanteau, a combination of two short words; “bel” and “eve”. It has gone through countless variations through time, and “bal” and eva” are two of the earliest.
    When one examines the concepts these words were used for conceptually, we find that this is a dialectical portmanteau, with a tension of the opposites extant in it’s meaning.

    “Bel”: has to do with jejune, rebellion, angst and “belligerence”, “bellum” “Bal” {an evil entity}, “ballistic” and a long nomenclature of similar conceptualizations put into a descriptive word.

    “Eve”: has to do with nurture, nature, empathy, compassion, love, and understanding, equilibrium… also a lengthily nomenclature.

    The original conjunction actually expressed an error of thinking, which comes back to us in more modern times in the form of “True Believer”, irrational certainty, fanaticism, and again associated with ‘bellum’ or war, and destruction.

    This is why I make an attempt not to use the words ‘believe’, and ‘belief’ when self referencing. I like to use the term I “think” or “it is my opinion”. Or, “beyond reasonable doubt”, when making a strong judgment of my opinion.
    [If I do use the term self descriptively, I mean it in the very soft and vague popular sense]

    Belief is best defined in terms of “faith”, of believing without the need of proofs, as is demanded of many of the major organized religions. And this is where the word again takes on its original connotations, of erroneous thinking.
    __________________________
    This brings us back to the one of the major topics of this blog, the attempt of psychological agitprop to frame “Conspiracy Theorists” as true believers, who have a gullible propensity for accepting ideas without sufficient substantiation.

    I want to make it clear that I do not see “psychology” as a whole as entirely without merit, as in all lines of inquiry there are those with good intent seeking real answers,and there are others who simply want to use ‘knowledge for power’. Ironically true believers are some of the most apt to fall into the second category.

    Let us consider normalcy bias and confirmation bias and how it is more normal to have a confirmation bias … or how conformists are more biased in their confirmations and ideation.

    So “normalcy bias” has a truncated definition as per ‘unexpected disaster’ reaction, and also needs to be adopted as an explanation for the cognitive confusion caused by perpetual disaster of the ongoing strategy of tension of life in a panoptic society.

    Accepting the truth of ‘realpolitik’ Machiavellian architecture of modern political power is difficult when one is not even aware of it. And most are unaware of it due to the fact that modern political power is maintained by a regime of public relations that manipulates perceptions to effect ignorance of the architecture of political power. It’s a political agenda.

    The agenda is in plain sight, and as Marshal McLuhan reveals, it is simply public incredulity that blinds them to the obvious.

    [Also see: Gatto, Iserbyt, Sutton — on the purposeful destruction of education]
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  43. Señor, your last comment has been removed. It mentions a topic that I clearly stated was off limits. More, it was mentioned to “test” whether others would react to it. Not allowed. I hope I don’t have to ban all future use of the letter “N” from your posts. But I will if I have to.

    1. Dear Mr. McKee,

      Touche’ in pointing out a way for the referee to stop a potential ping-pong volley! El-oh-el!

      I truly hadn’t foreseen your removal of my comment coming, because I stated that I didn’t want to discuss push-button “N” themes that even I am burned out on. By golly its removal really shoots holes into my publication stats on this thread, with 3 of my 9 comments (33.3%) requiring your watchful eye to get sent back into the moderation queue.

      Sorry to make you work.

      With my comment removed so promptly, the results are inconclusive with regards to whether certain participants could curb K9 Pavlonian reactions to specific words beginning with “N”.

      Comment sequencing got juked pretty fast, though.

      The second part of the test was:

      [This comment] is posted as a level 1 comment, to see how quickly and by whom another level 1 comment comes to “get the last word”, and what the nature of that comment will be. Will it be original and on-topic? Will it be original and off-topic? Will it be a copy-and-paste whack-job of someone else’s words marginally related to the topic?

      Shooketh one tree, and observeth the nuts falling out from many trees.

      Bravo for the tag-teaming efforts! Based on the “agitprop” acquisition, one might rightly think that three participants conspired off-list to draft and coordinate their efforts published here to achieve goals previously spelled out (last line 2014-08-07).

      My, the creative fiction that some are co-authoring about my supposed MO as a paid “agitpropist!” Let’s set this straight yet again.

      I am the “duped useful idiot.” I could be duped into also sorts of weird things. Properly applied math, science, and reasoning to all of the evidence are what tip me one way or another. I get shocked by the refusal of some to acknowledge when the same math, science, and reasoning falls short in supporting other beliefs.

      My stable of wild-ass bat-shit crazy hobby-horses that have duped me in the past has been down-sized by natural attrition, leaving only one that I regularly ride. Another shock is that nuggets of truth persist from these disinfo detours that a certain class of participants still refuses to acknowledge. [For example, “no planes at the WTC” spawned “imagery manipulation” that did happen on 9/11, but the extent of such manipulation is uncertain. Four different versions of the helicopter shot of the 2nd WTC plane as well as the Pentagon security camera footage are two examples confounding the “jejune” argumentation boiling down to “an all-or-nothing” false-choice about imagery manipulation.]

      ~IF~ I were a paid “agitpropist”, here’s what you could expect:

      – A dramatic increase in the frequency of my participation across the board on all forums and venues.

      – A dramatic reduction in the length of my comments, whereby breaking a long posting into multiple shorter postings results in more paid-to-post rewards.

      – Lots of twitter style twatter to juke my paid-to-post rewards. I’d be the new T&S WalMart Greeter!

      – Lots of comments that ain’t nothing more than a copy-and-pasted quotation and link to someone else’s work, because they count towards my paid-to-post totals, are innocuous, serve to make me appear more reasonable, while also steering the discussion.

      – A dramatic increase in the number of venues where I participate, whereby much of my comments in one venue are duplicates from what I posted in another venue.

      – An increase in the number sock-puppets to my hobby-horse(s) in a given forum, some to help champion and some to serve as foils who arguments are easily destroyed.

      – A dramatic reduction in efforts to preserve my words (for the public), because disinformation can only be protected with lies, and built-up lies that eventually get exposed undermine the preservation efforts.

      – An increase in the number of blogs, websites, and facebook identities to help differentiate and legitimize my stable of sock-puppets. However, these web efforts will be poorly maintained, falling quickly into disrepair. Too much legacy is bad baggage that isn’t carried forward.

      – No admission of being in error.

      – No chinks to my “anonimity armour.”

      – etc.

      “Señor… Do you write/post anywhere else besides this blog? I’d be very interested to read. Thanks.”

      As a matter of fact, I do. But I re-publish to those endeavors on a haphazard schedule, like when I have authored sufficient material to merit collecting, formatting, and publishing properly. Aside from blatant procrastination and laziness, the delay in its re-publication on my venue is strategic by allowing debates on other venues to conclude and cool. Thus, comments authored but never published on (or removed from) the original venue aren’t animated too early.

      I’m not one to advertise my blog. Now that I’m asked (twice), I would have provided a link, but I already reached my two URL quota with Mr. Rogue’s gopher-holes.

      Follow either of those two links to Mr. Rogue’s efforts and you’ll quickly find an unhinged comment aimed at me, quite possibly with a URL to my blog.

      Or you could follow Mr. Rogue’s advice about searching for it. Google “Señor El Once” including the double quotation. In my tests, the second page of search results starts offering hits to my blog.

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      1. “~IF~ I were a paid “agitpropist”, here’s what you could expect:..”~Señor

        Is that so? To the contrary, in my opinion what was just posted that this quote is a small portion of, is actually what we could expect.

        But I do thank the anonymous entity for once again promoting my blog, specifically those two threads. For if those who visit read and pay attention to the arguments there in, I think any lucid person would come to the same conclusion that I have, that the entity is in fact an agent of agitprop.

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      2. I’m shocked that you’re surprised. Pretty much out of nowhere you brought up a subject that had been nixed and you dared others to comment on it. I can’t imagine what purpose this could possibly have served other than to “test” me to see if I would allow it.

        The purpose of my (some would say not frequent enough) interventions is not to censor people or subjects if that can be avoided, but it is to try and keep the discussion productive. Had I allowed your challenge (essentially it was a taunt), then there would have been no further productive discussion. It’s one thing to react to someone else (that can be done inappropriately, of course), but it’s quite another to provoke for no reason.

        1. Mr. McKee wrote:

          Pretty much out of nowhere you brought up a subject that had been nixed and you dared others to comment on it.

          The context made it clear that I was not bringing up an atomic SUBJECT for a discussion, certainly not one that I cared to participate in any time soon. To be sure, the true context of the discussion had to do with how to stop detouring ping-pong volleys on an individual participant level: by letting the ball go by even when a participant has the opportunity to smash it back over the net.

          What happened in context was merely the dropping of an atomoic PHRASE in a simple test to see if we could get the K9 pack to de-program its Pavlonian bell-rings to let a comment flitter on by without it resulting in bad over-reactions on their part. [It was also a pretty funny joke.]

          Mr. McKee wrote:

          I can’t imagine what purpose this could possibly have served other than to “test” me to see if I would allow it.

          The greater purpose of the test was to train better harmony on your blog, as well as permit a larger diversity of ideas, by teaching its participants what is acceptable behavior, such as how long to maintain a volley when the “diversity of ideas” brings something, say, gut-puking bat-shit crazy that rings the Pavlonian bells of the Sunstein campers to behave poorly… on purpose.

          For example, assume participant A made such a dispicable comment that we’ll call “-A1-“. Participant B replies with “-B2-“, which could be short, long, or even unhinged. Regardless of the content of the “-B2-to-A1-” reply, the door opens for participant A to come back yet again and respond, “-A3-to-B2-“. The crux of this teachable moment is that this is the precise point in the discussion when Participant B should take control of their resolve, take control of the discussion, allow participant A the last word (“-A3-to-B2-“), drop the ball, and drop no other comments (-B4-to-A3-) to continue the volley. With time and practice, they’ll learn that maybe their “-B2-to-A1-” comment, if not published on T&S, might stop an unproductive volley from even ~being~. This certainly becomes truer for tag teaming participants.

          The analogy is mountain bike riding on a single-track. You do not look to where you do ~not~ want your front wheel to go (e.g., off a cliff, into a tree, over the side). You look for the line on the path where you ~want~ your front wheel to go. [Similar concepts apply to skiing moguls: look for your line through the moguls where your skis should go, and don’t look at all the bad places where you don’t want to go.]

          In like manner, participants should reply to conversations that they want to foster and its themes grow, and not to ones that they don’t.

          Mr. McKee wrote:

          The purpose of my (some would say not frequent enough) interventions is not to censor people or subjects if that can be avoided, but it is to try and keep the discussion productive. Had I allowed your challenge (essentially it was a taunt), then there would have been no further productive discussion.

          The true “taunt” was to illicit some retrospection before, or instead of, posting activity that takes the front wheels out of the grove, off of the path, through the weeds, down the side of the mountain, recklessly.

          Mr. McKee wrote:

          It’s one thing to react to someone else (that can be done inappropriately, of course), but it’s quite another to provoke for no reason.

          Mr. McKee focused on the wrong part of my message, namely the joke involving name-dropping of an atomic phrase, which coincidently he tried to edit out before sending the comment back to moderation.

          The reason for the provocation was the hypocritical actions of the two participants who commanded at the time 70% of the total (134) comments. Here they were, stomping their jump boots all over Mr. Tamborine Man to tamp down his spiritual discussion proclaiming it off-topic: -A1-, -B2-to-A1-, -C3-to-A1-, -A4-to-B2-, -A5-to-C3-, -B6-, -C7-, -A8-to-B6-, -A9-to-C7-.

          As I pointed out in the deleted comment, Mr. Rogue regularly uses T&S as if ~he~ were its exclusive RSS feed and as if T&S were appropriate to re-publish everything — relevant or not — ~he~ might have penned for other purposes elsewhere. [Repeating this charge is appropriate because such off-topic activity from Mr. Rogue has always been and continues.] For all of Mr. Ruff’s berating of Mr. Tamorine Man for being off-topic, has he ever called Mr. Rogue for his off-topic comments? For Mr. Rogue’s comment-padding copying-and-pasting from other sources, innocuous but off-topic? No, Mr. Ruff hasn’t. In fact, Mr. Ruff spammed many comments in this very forum with “off-topic” labels, any of which could have led to ugly knee-jerk volleys. Yet, Mr. Rogue’s comments of this nature were sparred the same treatment.

          I’m sorry, but owing to me being a religious fanatic — religiously fanatical about Truth –, blatant hypocrisy is another mouth-watering bell-ringer to the Pavlonian underdog in me.

          “I disagreed with what you said, but will defend to the death your right to say it.”

          Agreement or disagreement with Mr. Tamborine Man’s “religious” comments is separate from the precedence set by Mr. Rogue to regularly post irrelevant (but innocuous) things. If Mr. Rogue can do it and others can largely ignore them, so can anyone else and their postings should largely be ignored, particularly if the front wheel of the knee-jerk response is aimed to go off trail.

          Mr. Rogue wrote:

          For if those who visit read and pay attention to the arguments there in [on Mr. Rogue’s blog], I think any lucid person would come to the same conclusion that I have, that the entity is in fact an agent of agitprop.

          Ah ha! I’ve highlighted Mr. Rogue’s defect above: he thought wrong.

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          1. Again we have a full frontal blast of argumentum verbosium from the covert entity calling itself “Señor”__and the only thing the entity seems to produce by such filibuster is to send the hits on HR1blog through the roof.

            His denials put in beancounter language of “A1-, -B2-to-A1-, -C3-to-A1-, -A4-to-B2-, -A5-to-C3-, -B6-, -C7-, -A8-to-B6-, -A9-to-C7- blablabla” are simply incomprehensible bullshit that would be better translated into simple English if he wishes to convince a jury of his peers of his innocence as far as the charge of being an agent of agitprop.

            His claims to an “atomic joke” are laughably jejune, making the entirety of the rest of his comment the real joke.

            I think that the entity has the right to protest his innocence if he is indeed innocent — but this fast-talking jabberwacky is entirely unconvincing. One can visualize the beads of sweat on the entity’s forehead as he wrings his hands while sitting in the witness chair.

            Again I thank the entity for the PR for my blog. As I said the last few days, and particularly today the hits are off the charts. One wonders whether “lucidity” is part of the entity’s tool kit.
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          2. Yes Señor, and to the link to your blog at the end of your latest rant here, wherein you misframe the whole affair on COTO, it is bullshit. Anyone who wants the real scoop on that trip can go to the “Milgram” thread on HR1blog.

            You schmoozed that twit JG, and she went on a rampage like Nurse Rat-shit in One Flew Over the Cukoo’s Nest. You pulled your agitprop game there like a pro, because those people are so jejune. The only regular there with any sense at all is Boomer, and he’s about a B- on the intel scale.

            I know you have the same plan for T&S, to derail it into oblivion like you did to COTO. They have gone from 70 to 80 hits pr hr down to around an average of 25 to 28 since that bamboozle you pulled there.
            And it wasn’t long after I left of my own accord, that you abandoned COTO.

            It is too too obvious what a vile and despicable game you play.

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          3. Wow SEO that is some fast tap dancing you did there in that comment. I have no idea what the hell most of it meant but it was lengthy I will give you that. Curious why YOU have not choosen to ignore our comments since you seem to want to scold us for not ignoring yours? I will go even one better why not ignore our comments and actually post something relevant to the topic?

      3. SEO,

        It is nice of you to re-frame for us what we could expect from a real agitprop agent. I will stick with my own definition though. My definition fits you to a tee.

        1. You constantly try to derail good discussion by bringing up discredited theories such as mini-nukes and Judy Woods DEW.

        2. You use any excuse to introduce bogus material or to create conflict on the blog because in either case the discussion itself gets lost.

        3. You use passive aggressive attacks masked only by a very thin facade of politeness along with other disinformation techniques such as Alice in Wonderland logic in order to derail the topical discussions.

        4. You post intentionally confusing or conflicting information which require significant time commitments to unravel and debunk.

        5. You offer only token lip service to the topic but post long diatribes attacking others.

        6. You try to make us rehash past debunks of your theories over and over by claiming falsely that your theories have never been addressed or debunked.

        The bottom line is that your MO is to waste our time and derail productive discussions. In my opinion you are agitprop SEO.

        1. Dear Mr. Ruff,

          Thank you so much for your comment that allows me to respond and for being on the vanguard of this dastardly detour into alleged “agitprop” characteristics. Clearly you and Mr. Rogue are conspiring off-list in this endeavor, so he can teach you the vocabulary.

          It is rather funny that you are writing anything at all addressed to me about something I wrote, because you have repeatedly claimed to ignore my comments, to skip right over them, and to not read them. I always attributed this blatant demonstration of your (low) level of open-mindedness and objectivity as the reason why you get so many things WRONG when acting as Mr. Rogue’s Gilligan.

          Case in point, you write:

          You [SEO] constantly try to derail good discussion by bringing up discredited theories such as mini-nukes and Judy Woods DEW.

          Haven’t been brought up by me in this forum in any serious way that could be construed as me wanting to discuss them. Go check your T&S emails for the comment that Mr. McKee removed. I didn’t bring them up in the last forum either. Ergo, the adverb “constantly” does not apply. This over-generalization alone — something taught in high school to avoid — is sufficient to trash the validity of your first complaint. But I’ll continue trashing it more…

          As for the verb “derail”, lovely how you ignore your Skipper’s hand in all of those “derailments.” Isn’t Mr. Rogue’s blog just a wonderful thing?

          As for “discredited theories” that you dangle in front of me as bait to get me fouled out? Must be Mr. Rogue’s strategy but one that he couldn’t implement himself. The theories aren’t mine, aren’t what champion, and aren’t affected by your hypnotic suggestion. Clearly, you understand neither the base theories nor the applicable elements of each that are merged into my deviant premise.

          Thus we see your #1 item — supposedly your strongest argument — into my alleged MO fall into the dustbin.

          As for #2-#5? Ho-hum. Why didn’t you provide links to substantiate your words?

          I won’t belabor this, because I’ve addressed your concerns and your dubious nature months ago in a special message “sick of SEO claiming we have not done so” (2014-04-13). Make sure you read the whole message, particularly those referencing your statements from November 17, 2012.

          You think you know where I err in my bat-shit crazy deviant premises? Take it off-list. Make a comment to the blog entry linked above.

          Chop-chop, Mr. Ruff.

          //

          1. “Clearly you and Mr. Rogue are conspiring off-list in this endeavor, so he can teach you the vocabulary.”~Señor

            I can say truthfully that the only “conspiring off-list” I have done with Mr Ruff is to have emailed him that the covert entity ‘Señor’ had made another comment [AUGUST 18, 2014 AT 1:23 PM], just to alert him. I gave no advice whatsoever to Mr Ruff. He did not reply, although I think it did let him know to look in on the current thread here again; as he did make comments to that post by the entity.

            I have indeed had much to say about the covert entity on my blog, but I don’t get the impression that Mr Ruff reads there very often – certainly he doesn’t shadow the place every day as the agent Señor does.

            And as it is, if the Señor entity is paying attention to what is written on my blog he knows all I wanted from him was to ‘Cease and Desist’ in his personal attacks on myself here on T&S, and until that time and for long as he continues the harassment I will continue my entries to the HR1blog pages dealing with the disinformant.

            I do NOT mention him EVER, until he comes on slashing at me. It has been a very long time since I have started anything with Señor. But as I have told him, if he keeps this shit up, I will finish it.
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          2. The one fact that discredits virtually everything you just said is that in each and every case it is in fact you who starts the trouble not HR1 or myself. There was no mention of you at all on this thread until you came in and started derailing it. Sure you choose to come to the defense of Tamborine Man who was himself attempting to derail this discussion. You saw us telling TM to stay on topic as your perfect opportunity to come in here and increase the disruption. You are the aggressor SEO and the time stamps on the posts prove it.

            Now as to your other blather about HR1 and I working together against you I can assure you that you have earned my critiques through your own actions and if HR1 were not here at all I would still make them. Because HR1 and I happen to agree on quite a few things I can understand your mistake of thinking we coordinate all this. We don’t need to coordinate anything really SEO because your pattern of abuse and your MO are obvious to both of us. I agree with HR1 most of the time for one simple reason SEO, because he is right most of the time and I know he is right from my own research. You on the other hand are often wrong and therefore I often disagree with you.

            In truth SEO I really believe you are “agitprop” or an “agent provocateur” who is attacking this blog and some of it’s members intentionally and for nefarious reasons. Looking at your most recent post for example I find numerous reasons to reach the conclusion that you are an “agent” of disruption and disinformation.

            Some other time perhaps I will go through one of your posts step by step and explain in detail what is happening with them. Suffice it to say for now that I will not be responding to your “Chop-chop, Mr. Ruff” remark in any sort of timely fashion, if at all, simply because I don’t bite on such obvious bait. At this point SEO you may want to have your handlers assign someone else from the Q-Group to me because your routine is played out and not working.

          3. Indeed, Mr Ruff has said it quite well, the proof of who the trouble maker is can be seen by the time/date stamps. The disinformant Bridges always starts the shit.

            And the Señor STILL hasn’t made a single comment on the actual topic of the Israeli Palestinian conflict. He has no further an agenda than slashing, with the agenda to drive T&S into the ditch, just like he did at COTO.
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        2. –“If Mr. Ruff were referring to the actual record, he’d be proven wrong, which is why he provides no links. If my muclear theories had been debunked in a convincing fashion, I wouldn’t be still peddling them. I have the ability to change my mind when proven wrong.”
          ~Entity Coverticus

          http://maxwellbridges.blogspot.com/2014/04/prelude-to-nookiedoo.html#x29
          [This URL is hidden under ambiguous text in his comment]
          ________
          Señor is an in your face fullblown fucking liar – he has been proven wrong decisively on this muclear bullshit and hasn’t changed his mind but – as you see from the above, doubles down on the anal hurland…the singing asshole of Señor Bridges.
          \\][//

      4. Some participants have just pushed the buttons of my religious fanaticism regarding truth by writing things that are ~not~, with the first indication being no substantiating links.

        So that readers understand the stats, two comments of mine made respectively to two different topics already-in-progress netted two replies from Mr. Ruff, five replies from Mr. Rogue on-list, and five back-stabbings off-list on his blog. Woo-hoo!

        Let’s give Kudos where they are warranted, such as Mr. Ruff’s one-for-one restraint. Bravo!

        Two-to-seven, though! Clearly, I am losing and will continue to lose, because those seven will only eck out one, lowly, measely reply from of me, this very message that you read.

        For my loyal fans requesting it, let’s begin more “fast-talking jabberwacky”, more “fast tap dancing”, and more “simply incomprehensible bullshit”. Woo-hoo!

        Without further delay, here’s the first gem credited to Mr. Ruff (and those following unless otherwise noted):

        The one fact that discredits virtually everything you just said is that in each and every case it is in fact you who starts the trouble not HR1 or myself.

        El-oh-el! Such purposeful memory loss and humor Mr. Ruff exhibits in defending Mr. Rogue, T&S’s resident WalMart greeter. The phrase “in each and every case” falls into the category of “over-generalization” and only takes one case to the contrary to disprove.

        The list of participants is pretty long who have experienced first hand Mr. Rogue “starting trouble.” I’d wager that out of the last 3000 comments made to T&S, Mr. Rogue’s contribution was greater than one third.

        Now if Mr. Ruff is referring exclusively to interactions Rogue-SEO or Ruff-SEO, in probably each and every case an assertion or action was made at some point by a member of the tag-team that inspired me to respond, quite possibly with a referenced rebuttal using their own words to prove hypocrisy, dishonesty, and/or hypnosis in the assertion.

        There was no mention of you at all on this thread until you came in…

        I agree, this is so true! And just as true, there was no mention of Mr. Ruff at all on this thread until he came came in. Funny how that works.

        … and started derailing it.

        Was my comment the exact point of the derailment? Or was the over-blown over-reaction the exact point?

        Astute readers might notice that the over-blown over-reaction to Mr. Tamborine Man’s innocuous comments were the exact point of derailment. My comments would have been at the caboose to that train wreck had not — surprise! surprise! — there been further over-blown over-reactions. Mine was the served ping-pong ball that they should have just let flutter right on by.

        You saw us telling TM to stay on topic as your perfect opportunity to come in here and increase the disruption.

        I told Mr. TM to stay on topic, too. I have two comments from that period in the moderation queue due to their link count and Mr. McKee deciding not to publish them, ergo they added nothing to the disruption. My exchanges with Mr. TM to get him to provide a relevant link weren’t a disruption; they were on-topic.

        You are the aggressor SEO and the time stamps on the posts prove it.

        What time stamps exactly? If Mr. Ruff doesn’t list and show the correlation, then his statements aren’t fact but opinion without substantiation.

        The record shows that at 168 total comments, I made a total of 12 comments (6.5%), but four of them are in the moderation queue due to link counts and Mr. McKee not approving them. Let’s ignore their publication status and consider hypothetically all 12 of them as being stick-in-your-eye provocation on T&S.

        How many of Mr. Ruff’s ~43 commens (25.5%) or of Mr. Rogue’s ~72 comments (42.8%) or of their combined ~115 comments (68.4% of the total conversation) were devoted to my [*cough*] “disruption” consisting of just 12 comments?

        In a perfect ping-pong volley, the number ought to be between 12 (1 reply from either) and 24 (1 reply each), or between 10% and 20% of their combined comments. Of course, the 7 reactions to the last 2 of my 12 comments hypothetically suggests a trend that could be extrapolated to mean that 42 of their ~115 comments — 36% of their effort — were devoted to me! Woo-hoo, again!

        Except that even a real-world number shy of 36% — a total output >9.5 times that of mine — paints a different picture of who is the aggressor.

        BTW, time stamps reflect when a participant attempted to publish the comment, but not necessarily when it saw the light of day, as would be the case for comments in the moderation queue until approval.

        Now as to your other blather about HR1 and I working together against you I can assure you that you have earned my critiques through your own actions and if HR1 were not here at all I would still make them.

        And Mr. Ruff and Mr. Rogue have earned my critiques of their integrity through their own actions that I’m not shy of quoting back to them and offering links to substantiate.

        Because HR1 and I happen to agree on quite a few things I can understand your mistake of thinking we coordinate all this.

        … Or the mistake of thinking that one of you is the sockpuppet of the other.

        I agree with HR1 most of the time for one simple reason SEO, because he is right most of the time…

        Guess what? I agree with HR1 most of the time, too, in part because how can you disagree with someone else’s innocuous work that Mr. Rogue has copy-and-pasted into the discussion? In part also for the instances when he is right, and you don’t find me quibbling over it.

        But “most of the time” isn’t “all of the time.” I’ll stand up and point out the “part of the time” when Mr. Rogue is mistaken. And that’s where the truth hurts.

        … and I know he is right from my own research.

        Stellar research that includes purposely not reading certain books or websites germaine to the discussion, not reading my comments, and by extention not reading what substantiates by comments.

        You on the other hand are often wrong and therefore I often disagree with you.

        Me? WRONG! Oh for heaven’s sake, do forgive me! I promise to mend my ways if you would only be so kind as to point out exactly where I am in such grave error!

        Some other time perhaps I will go through one of your posts step by step and explain in detail what is happening with them. Suffice it to say for now that I will not be responding to your “Chop-chop, Mr. Ruff” remark in any sort of timely fashion, if at all, simply because I don’t bite on such obvious bait.

        … Ooops! [*Sniff* *sniff*] Smells like a mustelid was here.

        On the one hand, I’d like to give Mr. Ruff some slack here, because my blog is a rabbit hole. But on the other hand, Mr. Ruff has been steadfastly avoiding an objective, reasoned, rational discussion with me — on T&S, on COTO, on my blog — for more than a year now. He has a track record of making such promises and then failing to make good on it, such as on November 17, 2012 at 5:15 am.

        BTW, what makes my request “such obvious bait” when it avoids disruptions here on T&S by having the objective, reasoned, rational discussion with me off-list? Could it be because I propose my blog as the playground, where I have home-court advantage? I promise to be fair and publish replies (that aren’t ad hominem snake-piss). If Mr. Ruff had a blog, it could be discussed there (or both our blogs in parallel), and I’d let Mr. Ruff be as underhanded as Mr. Rogue is with his blog.

        Or is my request “such obvious bait” when he knows he’ll get his ass handed to him.

        Damn. [*Sniff* *sniff*] There’s that mustelid smell again.

        Curious why YOU have not choosen to ignore our comments since you seem to want to scold us for not ignoring yours?

        First of all, this individual, lowly reply comes closer to zero(=ignore) than the seven comments make by your team recently.

        Secondly, your tag-team has charged me with “being an agent of agitprop.” The two of you sound like Larry and Curly with your “Moe! Moe! Moe!” nonsense. (Or was it “M.O.”?)

        I will go even one better why not ignore our comments and actually post something relevant to the topic?

        Done. What’s the topic? Oh, that’s right…

        In truth SEO I really believe you are “agitprop” or an “agent provocateur” who is attacking this blog and some of it’s members intentionally and for nefarious reasons. Looking at your most recent post for example I find numerous reasons to reach the conclusion that you are an “agent” of disruption and disinformation.

        If Mr. Ruff found “numerous reasons”, he couldn’t be bothered to list a single one of them. Cheater.

        At least when I call Mr. Ruff or Mr. Rogue a hypocrite, a liar, a cheat, or a weasel, I substantiate the instances one by one with direct quotes and links that brought me to such conclusions.

        “Attacking this blog?” My 6.5% compared to their 68.4%? El-oh-el. Someone is doing some projecting here.

        “Attacking … some of its members intentionally?” Here, “some” is being re-defined from “four or more” to being equal to “two”. If we were to tally all of the participants who have had border-line-nasty rows with Mr. Rogue [giving all the sock-puppets the benefit of the doubt], we’d be able to say “many” with no dishonest re-definitions.

        “For nefarious reasons?” Here, “nefarious” is being re-defined to be anything that holds participants to truthful statements, to practicing what they preach, to demonstrating integrity in all their interactions.

        ++++

        Now let’s look at some of Mr. Rogue’s recent work. Remember, it wasn’t necessarily the link that is the disruption, but what someone chooses to drag back from that link to make an issue of that could be the disruption.

        I wrote on my blog (2014-04-13) which Mr. Rogue chose to drag back:

        If Mr. Ruff were referring to the actual record, he’d be proven wrong, which is why he provides no links. If my nuclear theories had been debunked in a convincing fashion, I wouldn’t be still peddling them. I have the ability to change my mind when proven wrong.

        Mr. Rogue goes on to say with much eloquence and overwhelming amounts of substantiation (not):

        Señor is an in your face fullblown fucking liar – he has been proven wrong decisively on this muclear bullshit and hasn’t changed his mind but – as you see from the above, doubles down on the anal hurland… the singing asshole of Señor Bridges.

        Moi? “Proven wrong”? And “decisively” so?

        How ironic that Mr. Rogue chose a quote wherein Mr. Ruff was reprimanded for not providing links to substantiate his over-blown statements at the time, yet when Mr. Rogue comes to Mr. Ruff’s defense, it is precisely those substantiating links that are also missing from his over-blown statements. (Pattern?)

        Perhaps Mr. Rogue is referring to the exact same debunking efforts who genesis was November 17, 2012 at 5:15 am and is linked earlier in this message on which he was an invited conspirator (while I was purposely shunned from the party: boo-hoo)?

        Perhaps Mr. Rogue is referring to lame, meandering, unsubstantiated articles penned by him on COTO and re-animated on his blog that can’t make up their mind what they want to be and allow no commentary from others (e.g., moi) to improve the validity of statements or to correct statements of error?

        At any rate, no substantiation when a charge of lying is made is an automatic FAIL and falls neatly into the camp of “attack.”

        Mr. Rogue drags back to this forum references to “the whole affair on COTO.”

        You schmoozed that twit JG, and she went on a rampage like Nurse Rat-shit in One Flew Over the Cukoo’s Nest. You pulled your agitprop game there like a pro, because those people are so jejune.

        Ah, the online romancing of JerseyGirl! How could I ever forget? I wrote respectfully, was asked to become a contributor, wrote two articles, defended those articles respectfully (against heaping amounts of disrespect from Mr. Rogue), made references to the COTO rules of engagement, and decisively proved that Mr. Rogue’s comments under his COTO articles (and elsewhere) were in flagrent violation.

        “That twit JG” was also an admin who did not appreciate being called “Nurse Rat-shit” and other things more nasty and misogynistic by Mr. Rogue, with whom there was already a long-established love-hate relationship. Stamped his own exit papers, Mr. Rogue did.

        I know you have the same plan for T&S, to derail it into oblivion like you did to COTO. They have gone from 70 to 80 hits pr hr down to around an average of 25 to 28 since that bamboozle you pulled there.

        Let’s flag this as a lie and a cheat from the onset, and I’ll explain why.

        “Hits per hour” isn’t even a metric that web analytics measures. “Pageviews” and “Unique Visitors” for a given period of time are the two most useful web statistics. The IP address among other things is used to determine the number of unique visitors from their activity on the site. [Generally] every time a bot visits the page, every time the page is refreshed, and every time a visitor makes a comment, the pageview count for that page increments. Tally these for all of the web pages on the site and maybe this is the “hits/hour” to which Mr. Rogue refers.

        Here are data points in Mr. Rogue’s historic trend line.

        – Mr. Rogue made >1/3 of the last 3,000 comments to T&S (which may actually be low).
        – Mr. Rogue made >4,000 comments to Op-Ed News during his tenure there of a year or so.
        – Mr. Rogue averaged 4 comments a day to this very thread (72 comments made between August 4 and August 20).
        – Mr. Rogue averaged 13.5 commetns a day to a thread on his blog (108 comments made between August 12 and August 20). [The comments that weren’t his are balanced by comments he made to other blog entries at the same time that aren’t being considered and therefore actually makes this average low.]

        Between just this T&S thread and one on his blog, Mr. Rogue is already at 17.5 comments a day, a number already artifically low in representing his total daily internet activity.

        For the sake of discussion, let’s assume some validity and meaningfulness from his statement: “70 to 80 hits pr hr down to around an average of 25 to 28.” Based on Mr. Rogue’s posting frequency, the difference of 45 to 52 hits/hour could very well be attributed to (a) Mr. Rogue’s posting activities and (b) Mr. Rogue’s and other’s “refresh” activities as they appease their internet addiction every 5 minutes to see who has commented what and where, and to respond really fast.

        In other words, Mr. Rogue is directly responsible for inflating or deflating COTO’s hits/hour, according to the level of his participation.

        Thus, Mr. Rogue’s lie and cheat is to suggest that ~my~ participation on COTO dramatically reduced its hourly hit count, when in fact it was Mr. Rogue’s withholding voluntarily his high-frequency participation that drove it low.

        And it wasn’t long after I left of my own accord, that you abandoned COTO.

        “Of [his] own accord” as in “one step ahead of being banned.” Were Mr. Rogue not so vile in his assessment of his COTO colleagues on his “Milgram” blog entry, he could probably go back and single-handedly ramp up the hourly hit rate.

        Mr. Rogue was actively tainting the perceptions of his COTO colleagues AGAINST me before I made comment #1. As can be expected from a sock-puppet, Veritable1 was lock-step with Mr. Rogue’s “ban SEO” rhetoric from day 1 of my entrance, and left exactly when Mr. Rogue did to join him immediately on his blog as sock-puppet VerityTwo, where he continues his remarkable mind-meld with Mr. Rogue today.

        Against such PR on COTO, I didn’t expect to survive. Before I drafted my own articles, each published comment was ripe in my mind to be my last. I stated up front that I wasn’t going to stay. My purpose was to correct the record. That Mr. Rogue got PWNed so badly on his home court was just desserts. El-oh-el!

        It is too too obvious what a vile and despicable game you play.

        … Says the man with 458 comments to “Carnival d’Maxifuckanus” and 113 comments to “Maxwell Bridges: Disinformant”, whose titles accurately reflect the quality of the comments. El-oh-el!

        And now we come back to the topic as given by Mr. Rogue and Mr. Ruff:

        [C]onvince a jury of [SEO’s] peers of his innocence as far as the charge of being an agent of agitprop.

        Ho-hum, already done in the above “fast-talking jabberwacky”, and no sweaty armpits, let alone beads of sweat on my forehead.

        If I didn’t already think that Mr. Rogue was sociopathic and probably assigned to play on the internet by his mental health professions (and their pharmacy subscriptions) as a “healthy” outlet for his frustrations, as opposed to engaging with real people face-to-face, why I’d say that Mr. Rogue was projecting agenthood onto me.

        //

        1. As I said before SEO has OCD to the extreme and will NEVER stop. Still to this very moment SEO has not addressed the topic of Gaza at all! Not one post about the topic but we have this war and peace length diatribe above. As far as I am concerned that says it all.

        2. “So that readers understand the stats…”~Señor El Once

          Yes, let’s make that a little clearer – how many words are in this most recent entry by the anonymous entity? It’s the beancounter’s job to give this disclosure as well. Yes?

          Why yes it is.
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        3. “If I didn’t already think that Mr. Rogue was sociopathic and probably assigned to play on the internet by his mental health professions (and their pharmacy subscriptions) as a “healthy” outlet for his frustrations, as opposed to engaging with real people face-to-face, why I’d say that Mr. Rogue was projecting agenthood onto me.”~Señor Blablabla

          I have already warned the covert entity that this ‘I know you are but what am I game’ is as juvenile as the taunts one gets on elementary schoolyards. The pretense of ‘sophistication’ is only sophistry unmasked here.

          It is the technique of ‘argumentum verbosium’ that is the analog to what forensic science calls “Fast Talk” – this happens when a suspect uses double and triple the amount of words in a sentence when under pressure during interrogation.

          So just to use the techniques of the strategy of tension of such interrogation I will make sure to piss of the suspect here, by making several comments to his one encyclopedic post, and see how much more rattled the snake gets.
          Meanwhile noting that the entity digs himself in deeper with each comment posted here.

          Put bluntly Señor Blablabla, you are already outed. Now is just the time for more and more hysterical testimony for the official record.
          Thank you so much for your cooperation.
          \\][//

      5. [ON-TOPIC COMMENT]
        I ain’t no god-damn expert on Gaza, Israel, Palistine, and shit, but like most participants, I have a high school diploma (plus or minus). Israel is fucked up and is fucking up, despite the PR spin. As an empathetic person, Israel’s over-blown over-reaction disgusts me and has me siding with the underdog. Israel fucks everyone else up, too.

        If the American government were to conspire to stage event(s) to move its nation in radical directions ala PNAC “Rebuilding America’s Defenses” and wanted to plausibly deny its finger-prints in the false-flag actions, Israel’s Mossad would top the outsourcing list to help.
        [/ON-TOPIC COMMENT]

        I was asked:

        how many words are in this most recent entry (August 21, 2014 at 7:38 pm) by the anonymous entity?

        572 words of that entry, which responded to seven on-list postings (1,300 words) from two participants, were quotations and comprised 19.5% of the total word count. Yep, the only difference about my more than doubled word count was that my words were written and arranged more truthfully.

        Kudos to Mr. Adam Ruff for managing one-for-one comment ratio!

        “OCD to the extreme”? We all have it. Some worse than others. I’m not the one with a dirt collection that gets hawked on eBay.

        As part of the 521 word response, it was asked:

        So, how much time and effort went into the entity’s last post above at AUGUST 21, 2014 AT 7:38 PM? … It certainly didn’t just pop off the top of his head, a certain amount of planning and care in the construction is necessary – such time and effort. And for what purpose?

        It was an embarrassingly large time suck that was fun to write that, together with work, gives me an alibi for ~not~ being Bob Sims a thread-over. Where was Mr. Rogue when all of that was happening?

        P.S. I’m being considerate to the readers by nesting this comment where it belongs. And its only 344 words, which makes both the posting count ~and~ the word count less than reaction it addresses.

        //

        1. And again, as my question to “word count” is in great part rhetorical, the charge of ‘derailment’ of a thread has nothing to do with “word count”, it has to do with taking the thread off topic.
          Now, this latest comment by the covert entity is split in two, one section is the very first on topic commentary the entity has made in the pristine since of dealing directly to the Palestinian/Israeli Conflict.

          The second portion of the entity’s commentary is then, self-admittedly Off-Topic. But more disturbing is the revelation as to the stalking activities of the entity shown in great detail and organization of data. In other words it is the revealing of the operational MO of ‘Spy-craft’ – exactly the profile that I have been claiming is the entity’s job description.

          Now the COTO information is skewed, as COTO was at one time what could be characterized as an ‘international powerhouse’ with hits coming in from all over the planet. I have the same access to the stats there that I do to my own blog. My posting frequency simply could not have accounted for the high number of hits pr hr-every 48 hr period; which is the manner inwhich the stats are presented on both C1 and HR1blog. The case is clear, the popularity of C1 plummeted in the period after the big blow up there arranged by the psychological operation conducted by the covert entity.
          The case is equally clear that having achieved success in this op the entity abandoned the site, having no more interest in it then he ever had…which was zero, other than an agenda to destroy that site.

          The entity uses ‘statistics’ in the same disengenuous manner that the mainstream press does. They are juked toward the context as framed by the one presenting the statistics. This is a well known technique of the Public Relations Regime.

          To be perfectly clear, I am not asserting that my presence on C1 was in any way the cause of its former popularity. What I am saying is the despoiling of the site caused many of the former advocates to sour on it and to leave because of the extreme nonsense that developed with the assistant manager of the site – who became pathologically vengeful and despotic with an iron fisted rule of the site. [See; ‘Variation on Milgram’ on HR1blog for a detailed report]

          It is my well considered opinion that the covert entity is indeed an agent provocateur. I have studied intelligence operation for many years, I understand the craft, and I attempt to inform others of how such things work.
          The covert entity has a MO and profile that is a perfect match.
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        2. BTW, the covert entity asked where I was when the shit hit the fan when the Hasbara agent Sims made a sudden flood of pro-Zionist postings on the ‘Lie Becomes Truth’ thread on August 21.

          That thread had seemingly ended sometime around August 8, with practically no more activity until it bloomed into action with Agent Sims’ propaganda campaign. I don’t receive email notifications for any of these blogs; so I remained unaware of the situation until Mr McKee gave me a heads up by email.

          I returned to that page to discover an astonishing mess on a thread that was already badly fucked up thanks to the combined efforts of the covert entity itself and Tamborin man, with the addition to the egotistical rantings of Mr Hufferd.

          This particular thread has to be the worst victim of a clearly staged cognitive dissonant attack on T&S to date.

          To say that T&S is a prime target of Sunsteinian provocation is an understatement.
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      6. {Edited version. Original version from August 26, 2014 at 5:23 pm had more than two links and languished in the moderating queue. This edited version removes those as well as other text that I deem unworthy.}

        Ludite Mr. Rogue wrote:

        I don’t receive email notifications for any of these blogs; …

        How does Mr. Rogue keep abreast of discussions on the blog of which he is an active participant?!!!

        One could guess that he directs his browser manually (from bookmarks or T&S website navigation) to load articles and their discussions of interest. If the articles are already displayed in his browser, at some frequency he must refresh his instance in order to see potential new comments. Of course, when he makes a comment, he gets a browser refresh for free.

        The point is: each fresh loading of an article, each browser refresh on an article, and each comment made to an article contribute to the statistics on those articles, such as their hit count per hour (over some period).

        Mr. Rogue also wrote:

        Now the COTO information is skewed… My posting frequency simply could not have accounted for the high number of hits pr hr-every 48 hr period.

        Mr. Rogue confuses “posting frequency” with “browser refresh frequency.” [Purposely?] Both will add counts to the hits/hour metric.

        Given the historical record of how active a participant Mr. Rogue has been across many different forums, is readily observable by his posting count, and could be called “obsessive,” — logically in the light of Mr. Rogue not utilizing email notification –, Mr. Rogue would have had to exhibit a browser refresh frequency several times greater than his posting frequency just to keep up with “suspected” new comments to any discussion.

        [Imagine how often OCD Mr. Rogue was disappointed, having wasted the time and internet bandwidth to re-load a page with all of its comments and video baggage only to learn by searching and scrolling that nothing had changed! Oh, the horror! This alone would contribute to a surly attitude in the responses of someone so addicted to the forum. Mr. Rogue should go to Facebook, because it’ll appease his addition with automatic refreshes while allowing the quick onset of memory-hole burial to facilitate revision-history efforts.]

        I stand by my earlier statements (2014-08-21).

        For the sake of discussion, let’s assume some validity and meaningfulness from [Mr. Rogue’s] statement: “70 to 80 hits pr hr down to around an average of 25 to 28.” Based on Mr. Rogue’s posting frequency, the difference of 45 to 52 hits/hour could very well be attributed to (a) Mr. Rogue’s posting activities and (b) Mr. Rogue’s and other’s “refresh” activities as they appease their internet addiction every 5 minutes to see who has commented what and where, and to respond really fast.

        In other words, Mr. Rogue is directly responsible for inflating or deflating COTO’s hits/hour, according to the level of his participation.

        Thus, Mr. Rogue’s lie and cheat is to suggest that ~my~ participation on COTO dramatically reduced its hourly hit count, when in fact it was Mr. Rogue’s withholding voluntarily his high-frequency participation that drove it low.

        Mr. Rogue wrote:

        The case is clear, the popularity of C1 plummeted in the period after the big blow up there arranged by the psychological operation conducted by the covert entity.

        No, the case is cloudy or even dark! COTO’s numbers sank because ludite Mr. Rogue voluntarily deprived COTO of his comments as well as his OCD-driven brower-refresh activities.

        The case is equally clear that having achieved success in this op the entity abandoned the site, having no more interest in it then he ever had… which was zero, other than an agenda to destroy that site.

        The agenda was to hunt down a rabid, lying mustelid right into the burrow’s of its home and utter truth. My life expectancy on COTO was always tenacious, touch-and-go, comment-to-comment, expecting to be off’ed by a COTO crew-cut companion of Mr. Rogue’s at any browser refresh.

        Mr. Rogue’s COTO companion and buddy-admin (a) dared me into becoming a contributor [November 13, 2012 at 2:19 am] and (b) allowed my contribution to be published eventually, exceeding any initial expectations I might have had for COTO by miles.

        Bonus points today are rewarded for Mr. Rogue coming |<–This Close–>| by his own actions to getting himself banned while at the same time getting his prized “Prologue” article and its comments flushed due to its flagrant violations of COTO rules of engagement. [Good thing I saw it coming and gave Mr. Rogue timely warning to CYA.]

        When it imploded, it looked like a slow-motion agency action to clean Mr. Rogue’s record of his bad behavior. Mr. Rogue attempted the psychological operation of luring me to COTO, imploding purposely his reputation there, and maybe hoping that in purposely fouling out and giving me victory, I would make COTO my new home-court so he could camp unmolested on T&S.

        Mr. Rogue continued with his disturbing revelations:

        But more disturbing is the revelation as to the stalking activities of the entity shown in great detail and organization of data. In other words it is the revealing of the operational MO of ‘Spy-craft’ – exactly the profile that I have been claiming is the entity’s job description.

        In Mr. Rogue’s technical ignorance of the checkbox for “notify [about] follow-up comments via email”, he conflates “stalking” [without as much as a “cyber-“ qualifier — CHEAT! CHEAT! CHEAT!] with “the results of subscribing”, something even lukewarm fans or the idle-curious might do at the very same moment they post literally anything, as little as the HTML code for a space.

        Undoubtedly, ludite Mr. Rogue is not aware that a comment with this checkbox marked does not have to be approved or published for the subscription to get established, thereby allowing the discussion to be monitored via email without any more incriminating and inflating “refresh” hits to the blog. [*Cue the music to “The Twilight Zone”.*]

        As for “detail and organization of data,” Mr. Rogue tries to frame this as a negative trait and only valued by one in the “spy-craft”. Here’s some fine detail that Mr. Rogue’s shoddy analysis misses, took him through the ringer more than few times, and would be smoking his ass today yet some more, had I not been badgering him about his blog and self-preservation.

        – No one can or should rely on the forums & databases owned by others to maintain their words, be they worthy or not of preservation. Doesn’t take much admin effort to remove individual comments, or all comments from an individual.

        – Forums & database owned by others should not be relied upon to preserve anything. A database “enhancement” or other behind-the-scenes technical updates could necessitate it going off-line, and there goes all the greatness that it once contained. [Internet way-back machines are not good at snap-shots of old content that was served up and maintained by databases.]

        – An agent certainly benefits from collecting (whether or not published) the incriminating words of their targets, but their agenda doesn’t benefit from having the agent’s own words so collected, organized, and published, because over time this can highlight inconsistencies that ultimately “hang them up by their own petards.”

        Too much legacy can be a bitch for an agent.

        Mr. Rogue writes:

        It is my well considered opinion that the covert entity is indeed an agent provocateur.

        … Yet all that I profess to be is the “duped useful idiot” with a very narrow scope. Unlike Mr. Rogue, I do not provocatate against all on all subjects.

        Mr. Rogue brags:

        I have studied intelligence operation for many years, I understand the craft, and I attempt to inform others of how such things work.

        To be sure of his self-professed education:

        “>35 years of studying the arts of espionage and his doctorates equivalent in studies several times over in the field of intelligence analysis, and forensic history, the techniques of propaganda and perception manipulation, mass psychology, and epistemology.” (2009-03-23)

        Mr. Rogue concludes:

        The covert entity has a MO and profile that is a perfect match.

        Shouldn’t Mr. Rogue be yelling Bingo or something?

        Damn if my internet activities don’t frag my sorry “agent” ass!!! How could I so obsessively collect, organize, publish my own words with URLs and context? With a legacy website almost a decade old and maintained! WTF?

        My humble search for Truth and feeding of the sheep.

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  44. “Señor… Do you write/post anywhere else besides this blog? I’d be very interested to read. Thanks.”

    Cheers

    1. I would suggest Lilaleo, that we dispense with the off topic chit chat. I would suggest anyone seeking the further ruminations of Señor el Once, to take advantage of their handy mouse and search engine combo.
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    2. Hi Lilaleo,

      i simply repeated your comment as also being my own, so yes, the “cheers” was in this case both a ‘thank you’ and a ‘toast’!

      Cheers

  45. Well the agenda to dismantle Gaza called for by the Israel Institute for Strategic Studies has made a lot of progress the last month and a half.

    As with 9/11 and the destruction of the WTC, this “dismantling” takes place while people are in the place being dismantled, and the dismantling is explosive, ending up with mostly small rubble.

    So we have ongoing cyclic war-crimes being committed by the so-called “Indispensable Nation” and it’s client state run by “God’s Chosen”…
    And anyone with a smidgen of decency and sanity can only look on in horror.

    It seems that this topic would inflame anyone with a sense of empathy. Apparently personal concerns trump all other considerations for some.
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    1. HR1 says “Apparently personal concerns trump all other considerations for some.”

      I agree 100% with this in fact I would like to point out at this time the fact that “personal concerns” were the ONLY thing talked about by two particular individuals, Gaza and Craigs article were completely ignored throughout the entire thread. That stinks of agitprop to me and now these comments popping up meant to make us all believe SEO is some kind of Icon that is very popular but here he/she/it is unfairly censored. This is highly suspect to me. A simple google search for SEO would produce plenty of results so why come in here specifically to drop these not so subtle hints that SEO is being oppressed and censored here? It is agitprop and it is BS. Anyone could have found his/her/its postings elsewhere so why come in here to make those comments? Agitprop.

      SEO was posting totally off topic comments and has been doing so for a long time, very disruptive, very disingenuous. I am thoroughly convinced that SEO is genuine agitprop. He/she/its comments are engineered (carefully crafted) to produce anger, confusion, and dissension. I noticed it particularly with responses to my comments where SEO’s comments are specifically designed to make me angry (I recognized it as crafted provocation so it didn’t work). This comment in particular caught my attention and convinced me that SEO is genuine agitprop:

      August 6th 430PM SEO writes in response to my saying I was not interested in his/her/its vendetta against HR1 or myself:

      “Is that so? Where’s the beef? You’ve even made repeated promises the last couple of years (a) that you don’t read my comments and (b) that you ignore my comments. Was this because you’re too clueless to make a decent argument to counter rationally my position? Me thinks so. You’ve been a hypocritical blowhard from the onset. Where’s your big fat IGNORE and not rising to the occasion?”

      Now from a psychological standpoint what SEO is doing with this comment is actually very revealing. Can you see what is going on in just that short paragraph? It is actually a powerful psychological attack crafted just for me. (BTW: I take it as a compliment that I get the attention of provocateurs and that they expend some of their time on me.)

      SEO may work alone or is actually a group of provocateurs with dozens or more sock puppet persona’s but in either case the evidence is plentiful that this entity is NOT here to discuss Craigs articles. Scan back over this thread and see for yourself where SEO made an (on topic) post prior to this date and time. I bet you can’t locate one and that should speak volumes to everyone. In scanning through past threads you will see the same pattern emerge with only a token post or two vaguely on topic followed by a plethora of off topic “psychological warfare” (in my opinion) posts.

      I would ask anyone reading this to actually look back at this and other threads and see the method of provocation in action. You will learn how this “infowar” for lack of a better term is actually being fought.

      1. I concur with Mr Ruff’s analysis. As such, perhaps the comments section can be opened to a “post topical” discussion on our take on what just occurred here on Truth and Shadows. Again, under the stated rules of engagement set by our host.

        I think it is apparent that Truth and Shadows is a prime candidate for targeting by what we call “Sunsteinian Agitprop”. This is certainly not a new idea here, and the “paranoia” of the probability of surveillance and intervention here is not without some rational bases.

        Personally, I would rather that Craig gives an official go-ahead before we proceed to such discussion.
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  46. The reason why Israel killed so many pregnant women in Gaza: Update
    August 16th, 2014

    Numerous pregnant women have been killed in Israel’s assault on Gaza. Is it because they are human shields for unborn ‘terrorists’? After five weeks of Israeli bombing and invasion the United Nations reported that the death toll in Gaza was 1,973, 72% of them civilians, including 459 children and 238 women.

    Palestinians: Gaza War Is Over, Cairo Talks Likely To Prevail
    August 15, 2014 7:45 AM by Jacob Kornbluh Leave a comment (0) Go to comments
    Deputy chief of Islamic Jihad, Ziad Nahalla, told the London-based Al-Hayat newspaper on Friday that “the war is behind us. At this point we have no choice but to reach an agreement.”

    Speaking to reporters in Gaza City, Hamas politburo member Khalil al-Haya said there was “still a real chance of reaching an agreement”, but only if Israel “would stop playing with words.”

    According to Nahalla, the two sides agreed on the openings of the Kerem Shalom, Erez and Rafiah crossings, easing the restrictions on material import into Gaza, the expansion of the limited fishing zone around the Strip and the dismantling of the security “perimeter” maintained by Israel along the border.

    “The agreement moves us from a state of war to the rehabilitation phase,” he said.

    Israel’s demands for demilitarizing Hamas has so far not been met. Hamas agreed, however, to drop its demand for an airport and seaport in Gaza.

    A Hamas offical also indicated on Thursday that in the next five days a breakthrough in the talks will happen that would lead to an agreed deal. “The formula proposed by Egypt over the last two days could lead directly to what we see as a breakthrough and an answer to our demands,” he said, according to AFP.

    On Friday morning, Gershon Baskin, a researcher of the Israeli Palestinian conflict and peace process and former mediator with Hamas over the release if Gilad Shalit, tweeted: “An important Hamas leader called me last evening and we had a long conversation… Hamas is prepared to end this war with a long-term ceasefire & to turn the authority in Gaza over the national reconciliation government.. Hamas wants Gaza rebuilt &are prepared for any kind of int’l oversight to ensure that building materials go to rebuilding Gaza above ground. The proof of Hamas intentions will be in the arrangements that are agreed on that will enable the end of the siege on Gaza.”
    http://jpupdates.com/2014/08/15/palestinians-gaza-war-is-over-cairo-talks-likely-to-prevail/

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  47. “Philosophers introduce new concepts, they explain them, but they don’t tell us, not completely anyway, the problems to which those concepts are a response. […] The history of philosophy, rather than repeating what a philosopher says, has to say what he must have taken for granted, what he didn’t say but is nonetheless present in what he did say.”~Deleuze

    A point about ‘subtext’ and deconstruction in interpretation of text. Of course this point by Deleuze is not confined to the words of philosophers, but to all language, both text and spoken. What one says reveals the assumptions that must attend and lie behind what is said. Grasping the essentials of the art of deconstruction is essential in understanding what is actually going on with all the hooting ululations of Newspeak in this pathological society.
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    1. GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — Egyptian attempts to broker an end to a monthlong war between Israel and Hamas militants collapsed in heavy fighting Tuesday, with Palestinian militants firing dozens of rockets and Israel responding with airstrikes across the Gaza Strip. At least two Palestinians were killed.

      The burst of violence erupted in the hours before a temporary truce was set to expire. It left the Egyptian mediation efforts in tatters, and raised the likelihood of a new round of violence.

      Israel withdrew its delegation from the Cairo cease-fire talks following a sudden burst of rocket fire on Tuesday afternoon, and quickly resumed its campaign of airstrikes.

      Palestinian officials reported Israeli airstrikes throughout Gaza that gained intensity throughout the evening.
      The fatalities were the first since a temporary truce was reached last Wednesday.

      Israeli officials reported at least 20 rockets fired late Tuesday, including one that set off air raid sirens in the metropolis of Tel Aviv. There were no reports of injuries
      There were no reports of injuries
      There were no reports of injuries
      There were no reports of injuries

      Palestinian medical official Ashraf al-Kidra said two people — a 40-year-old woman and a 2-year-old girl — were killed in an airstrike in Gaza City. A total of 21 people were wounded in a separate airstrike that hit a building that houses offices of Hamas’ Al Aqsa TV station, he said.
      http://news.msn.com/world/egyptian-cease-fire-efforts-collapse

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    2. Even the “Peace Process” is a part of the agenda of prolonging the situation in Palestine. As long as the “process” continues there is no resolution. But it gives the Israelis the appearance of attempting to come to terms with the Palestinians. The whole ‘process’ is nothing but another PR strategy.

      The situation is grim and gruesome. It is unbearable to watch, and imagining what it is like to endure this ongoing brutal process is beyond the average imagination. A historical tragedy of such huge proportion is in many ways simply incomprehensible. Epic pathos beyond grasp.
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  48. Laws and rules that don’t make sense will be rebelled against.

    Laws and rules that do make sense but aren’t applied consistently provoke chaos.

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  49. 19 Aug 2014 Israel has been preventing Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch workers from entering Gaza to investigate allegations of war crimes and human rights violations, claims a media report backed by group members’ statements. Both human rights organizations have been unsuccessfully trying to get permission from the regional Civil Administration to enter Gaza since July 7, Israeli outlet Haaretz reports…While both HRW and Amnesty International have been actively trying to obtain permission from Israel to enter the Gaza Strip, their requests have been turned down on seemingly bureaucratic grounds.

    http://rt.com/news/181184-israel-hrw-amnesty-barred/

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  50. We Blocked The Boat – Oakland 2014

    Longest Blockade of Israeli Ship in History
    ZIM ship turned away from SSA in​ Oakland​!

    For four days straight the San Francisco Bay Area community blocked the Israeli ZIM ship from unloading at the SSA. And today, we salute the rank and file workers of ILWU local 10 for standing with us against Israeli Apartheid by honoring our pickets and letting the ship go from the SSA terminal yesterday afternoon!

    Saturday we mobilized thousands of our community to show the world that Oakland does not welcome racism, apartheid or Zionism, from Ferguson to Palestine. We flooded the streets and marched towards the Port only to discover that the ZIM ship decided to stay at Sea rather than dock and be confronted by the power of our numbers. The ship attempted to dock and unload on Sunday, but within a half hour’s time hundreds of us organized community pickets requesting that workers to stand with us on the side of justice and not unload the Apartheid ship. And as ILWU rank and file always have, and as they did during South African Apartheid, they demonstrated their solidarity with the global fight against oppression and honored our picket. The following Monday and Tuesday saw both an organized call to action as well as autonomous protests determined to keep the ship from being unloaded. These efforts coupled with worker solidarity continued the success of the weekend’s total blockade of the ZIM ship.

    Tuesday we declared a historic victory for Palestine as Oakland held down the longest blockade of an Israeli ship. Not only did we block the boat, but we also showed the world that racist exclusionary state of Apartheid Israel has no place on our port, and will soon find that it has no place on any port on the West Coast. After being blocked from unloading at the SSA Terminal, the ZIM ship was forced to leave and unload at another Terminal where it was met with protests by autonomous activists. This even further delayed the unloading of the ship.

    From the use of tear gas to the training of police by Israeli military, Oakland feels firsthand the brutality of Israeli war-making. And Palestine knows too well the role the US plays in facilitating the ongoing ethnic cleansing of the indigenous Palestinian people. From the policing and militarization of our local communities perfected with Israeli tactics of repression to the billions that the US provides Apartheid Israel, the connections are clear and are made for us. And over the last four days we showed the world that we stand shoulder to shoulder from Palestine to Oakland to Ferguson as we struggle bring down every wall, every Apartheid system and every racist state.

    Palestine will be free.

    1. Great news on blocking the unloading of the Israeli ship Mr Ruff. Hit them in the pocket book, that’s what speaks loudest to these creatures.
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  51. So to add to the statistical body blows that so upset the anonymous entity, I am posting this down at the bottom of this thread for the convenience of feedback – that is, not needing to go further up the thread to find the proper Reply button to use if anyone wants to make an answer to this post.

    Any comers? Come One come all, keep those statistic jabs in thrall.
    Who is here to pick up this ball?
    Who thinks it worth the squall?

    So, how much time and effort went into the entity’s last post above at AUGUST 21, 2014 AT 7:38 PM? Only the Shadow knows. It certainly didn’t just pop off the top of his head, a certain amount of planning and care in the construction is necessary – such time and effort. And for what purpose? To write a tome, a screed, a fabulous bleed of rubric red that only one bent on self torture could read.

    In the famous initials of digitalis con webulation I ask; WTF??????
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  52. At least 89 entire families have been killed in Gaza since Israel started its military campaign, Palestinian health officials said. The Judeh family, a woman and her four children, died after an airstrike hit their house reportedly without warning. The incident happened in Tel Azatar, in the northern part of the Gaza strip and the family of five was killed instantly, after the Israeli Defense Forces launched their attack, the Israeli newspaper Haaretz reports. Locals said no warnings were given that airstrikes were imminent.

    The Knesset authorised the government’s request to call up another 10,000 reservists on Monday morning (Australian time). The request came on the same day that Israel’s struck more than 50 targets in Gaza overnight, including senior Hamas operative Muhammed al-Aoul, who is responsible for transferring funds.

    http://rt.com/news/182620-palestine-family-dead-israel/

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  53. “Political Zionism emerged as a liberation movement in response to antisemitism and nationalism. The foundation of Israel included anti- colonial aspects. Yet the settlement of Palestine by European Jews was itself an act of colonization carried out with– and in opposition to– world powers. The project as it unfolded was based in ideas of Jewish supremacy and in a particular interpretation of our traditions and history. It turned on the violent exclusion of the region’s indigenous population.

    After 1967, Israel established an occupation in the West Bank and Gaza. After 2005, it initiated a siege of Gaza, designed to undermine Palestinian statehood. I therefore cannot remain silent when people portray this month’s conflict in isolation from the context of forty-seven years of occupation, collective reprisal, settlement expansion, and siege. We can attribute each individual failure to achieve peace to one side, the other, or both. But we cannot ignore that despite any rationalizations, Israel has occupied Palestinians for nearly fifty years. Ask what else Israel could have done from its position of strength to pursue peace. Consider what it means to accept so many deaths and the destruction of a city as collateral damage. No matter how we judge Hamas, the assault on Gaza has demonstrated Israeli disregard for Arab life. This will not bring peace. The choices that may bring peace will present serious risks, but none more dangerous, physically and ethically, than preserving the status quo.”~Anthony Bellchambers
    Global Research, August 26, 2014

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/jewish-progressives-and-the-history-of-political-zionism/5397738

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